Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

Israel has conducted attacks in or on many countries, including.

France

UK

Norway

Germany

Greece

To name just European states.

Disagree. The US will never, ever get involved in the ground, Israel knows that.

They want the US for the B2 to destroy Fordow.

Yes hopefully. That would be best for everyone who does not support the anti-civilisation death cult that is still hilariously claiming that 60% Uranium has a civilian use.

Ask ChatGPT in your pocket. Unless you are part of the Anti-Semite army, then, you don't want to know.

How many “hospitals” have Iranian missiles hit?
Do you really think Israel is adapting very well to the war? Going from a mission to destroy Iranian nuclear capability to pledging to make Tehran burn, hitting hospitals in Tehran and trying to assassinate the Ayatollah, they appear reactionary and disoriented.
Are you sure the hospital wasn’t (a) a secret Israeli military base, (b) hit by a misfiring Israeli rocket. Isn’t that the legitimate reaction to an attack on a hospital rather than outright condemnation?

Does Israel have any enriched uranium and religious fundamentalists with convictions for supporting a terrorist organisation in government?

Nah we condemn Iran for building nuclear weapons (at 60% already) to destroy Israel, another Holocaust and holding our weak Chamberlain politicians to ransom forever, as they are far too weak to deal with this. We need a warrior, not this milquetoast.

I think Mileikowsky gambled that the U.S would enter any war entered into with Iran by Israel. It didn't expect Iran to bounce back, so well and so quickly from the blitzkrieg on key personnel on the first day. Gradually Iran has upped the ante in terms of bombing and are now knocking out key Israeli military and economic infrastructure. They are running out of defence missiles.

The Israeli population is not psychologically prepared for a war. Generally when Israel enters a war it's opponent is hamstrung in some way before they starts the war so Israel enters knowing it has the upper hand and Israeli territory largely escapes damage. So Israeli's can go about their lives relatively unscathed.

Never in 77 years has Israel been hurt like this militarily. It's illusion of military impenetrability has been shattered. At the current rate of bombings their economy will tank, it's population will flee in increasing numbers, morale will sink, their debt will become unmanageable and their cities will be pulverised. Those that don't flee are likely to wilt and turn on each other, under the pressure of having to be in bunkers with no end in sight.

Israel as a nation is reviled around the world especially because of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Trump throws alot of shapes but I think he is feeling the pushback in America against a strike on Iran. He also knows that a strike on Iran could lead to American lives lost and colossal military damage among assets in the M/E let alone for the economic carnage caused if Iran closed off the straits of Hormuz. Mileikowsky I can't decide. Was it typical Jewish hubris or just plain delusion that he thought he could start a war with Iran and win. Was he convinced he could rope in America? Either way he has done more harm to Israel since 1948 than any enemy. He gave Iran an open invitation to retaliate which they had every right to do.

Will Israel survive. Hard to tell. Mileikowsky has no obvious off ramp. If he surrenders then it is humiliation. He can't win even with using a nuke. If he uses a nuke Israel gets levelled completely. He can't win even with U.S involvement. It's been a miscalculation of staggering proportions by him.

No Jews, no news.

Also notice that the Irish Anti-Semite army are unconcerned with the war in Tigray and the 600,000+ dead people there. Where are their threads and posts?

Plus the 1m Russian casualties in Ukraine.

But remember, they are only discriminating against the Jews (yet again) in order to be compassionate and inclusive and something and stuff.

The Israeli interception rate has dropped from 90% to 65% since the Iranian shift to using the 2 stage, Hypersonic & Cluster warheads.

Reduced reaction times due to increased speed. Terminal manoeuvres are the primary drivers in the reduced interception rate IMO. Couple that with Israel needing to conserve Arrow interceptors to defend "high" value targets.

The terminal manoeuvres are actually less likely to be part of the Iranian successes as the Arrow system is an exoatmospheric interceptor, designed to hit the incoming missile whilst outside the atmosphere and before the terminal evasive manoeuvre begins.

The Davids Sling system is the system that is Israel's medium altitude defence and this appears to be suffering a higher miss rate as a result of the terminal manoeuvre phase or it may well be affected by the reduced reaction times too. It's also likely being seriously affected by magazine depth issues too, as again likely 2 missiles fired to intercept, after 2 Arrows have already either missed or not been fired at all.

Arrow 3 is $3-4 million a round and Davids Sling is approx $1 million a round. The costs rack up quickly a successful exoatmospheric intercept via 2 Arrow is $6-8 million. If the Arrows miss, then 2 ripple fired Davids Sling add another $2 million to the cost. A successful intercept can cost $10 million.

Of course a failed intercept can cost a lot more, in lives and material.

The WSJ have run an article that puts the daily cost of Israel's missile defence at $200 million +!

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-war-on-iran-is-costing-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars-a-day-1d360353

An Israeli financial paper has estimated the cost as being $285 million per day, reported here by Haaretz

That cost is huge, it is unsustainable even with US support as once the stocks of interceptors are run down? They cannot be built fast enough to match the likely incoming number of missiles.

The US has shifted another destroyer into the area to region, bringing total in range of Israel to defend to 5.

Those ships utilise the SM3 missile for exoatmospheric Ballistic missile interception. The current production rate for SM3 block II missiles is 12 per year. https://fxtwitter.com/hsu_steve/status/1841411673992618125

I would be very surprised if there were more than 40 SM3 at maximum loaded on the 5 additional destroyers. The ability of Israel and the US to support it in defending against incoming Ballistic missiles is rapidly diminishing.

What happened Nebuchadnezzar II after he defeated the Jews and destroyed the temple?

The Jewish people have a tragic history of being defeated by stronger powers and mistreated and persecuted. Unfortunately it is just the way of things that violence is only a solution for the most powerful.

The Israel economy can't continue to spend this much money on missiles they need the help of trump even to damage Iran's nuclear facilitys and the ,ll run out of missiles Iran's missiles could hit a apartment block Trump is giving Iran 2 weeks to reach a peace agreement Meanwhile he is probably getting USA armed forces ready to attack in the future See tariffs he has a history of making big threats but if there's political pushback he moderates his approach See drudge .com. If trump go,s for regime change what is likely is an even more radical extreme group will take over Iran of the mullahs lose power . Ordinary citizens will get tired of going to bunkers as Iran's missiles attacks continue Iran has dozens of nuclear facilitys and buildings deep underground

There s no moderate political group that are waiting to take power in Iran Israel continues to bomb Gaza and commit genocide it is at risk of becoming a pariah state

I read that wiki page, thanks for posting, and it's still cracked to me.

Judaism is either a religion or an ethnicity, it can't be both in terms of claiming the Palestinian country.

If it's an ethnicity, it can't be bound by religion - and if it's a religion, there can be no ethnic claim to the land.

Most Jews have some blood tie to the Holy Land.

How do you know this? If Palestinians have blood ties, why should this not be equally respected?

Though, as you point out, it is possible to come from a bloodline with no connection to the region of what is now Israel in the past 4000 years or so and convert to Judaism. But that's not common.

Again, how do you know what is common, or what has been common the last 2000 years?

It's just odd that Jews from different parts of the world look like the greater populations they come from.

European Jews look European. Middle eastern Jews look middle eastern. Indian Jews look Indian etc.

The history of a place needs to be taken as a whole.

You and Seanw are using a certain slice of pseudo history of that land, to justify a genocide that is taking place against, from what I can see, are its native inhabitants. Ye are the people using a narrative.

There were non Jewish people in that land before the Jews, while the Jews lived there, and after they left there. This is normal in human history in every other country. Look at Ireland, even as a relatively isolated island, we have had waves of Celtic, iberian, British, Norse, Norman, Scots etc along with many religions, populate these lands and make up what is Irish today. That region is no different.

2000 years ago, druids ruled religious life on this island, do Pagans have more right to Ireland than the people living here now?

Countries and cultures evolve and change throughout history, you cannot pick a freeze point in history when you believe (incorrectly) that Israel was homogenously Jewish, and say that is how the country needs to be returned to, and that trumps the cultures and evolutions of people that have been there before and after this point.

The rules you are applying to Israel don't apply to anywhere else in the world.