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FáilteDAB: Coverage, Tests and Services

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭chilloutrelax




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Sadly I think he's right, the DAB+ licence that failteDAB runs on is only for 12 months and like all things high tech here I expect it to not be renewed or its broadcast area extended to the west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Are the 'general public' even aware it exists?

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Oh yes, would love to access the digital services here in the west but I wonder if the smaller population here would make it worthwhile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    No company is going to sink effort and a large amount of money into a short trial. This is here to stay - I expect trial will be extended then a permanent licence awarded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    I think ONIC have too many generic stations using their mostly unknown corporate name.

    I find myself just skipping past everything ONIC. Maybe they should consolidate this down to a smaller number of stations and use the capacity for something else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    From just general observation and talking to people, I suspect that many are not. I know someone who has DAB on their car radio, but they never use it. They will put on either Spin1038 or FM104 or play their own music from their phone through the car radio. Outside of the radio industry and radio anoraks, who actually knows about these tests? It would be interesting to conduct a survey. I think it needs to be publicised more through various media. I should mention that 8Radio regularly give it a plug so their listeners know about it anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Agreed. Too many rock, classic hits and oldies stations in general and I don't understand simulcasting Newstalk, Today FM or Spin.

    Would have hoped for actual alternatives like 98FM Dance, Spin Fresh or Block Rockin' Beats instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Certain niche genres are covered (country, alternative rock, classic rock, soul, r 'n' b) but there are a few missing, with dance being one of the more obvious ones. You could also include jazz, funk and classical. There are a few ways of looking at the simulcasts, but on balance it probably does not make sense to take up space with stations already widely available. There are more than one oldies oriented stations which does seem like a bit of overkill, unless they are catering for different segments of the market. The thing is that in the case of the oldies there are different providers involved. It is ironic that RTE are not involved this time and with the previous DAB trials they had various digital stations at the time (now all online), such as RTE Gold (oldies), 2XM (alternative) and RTE Pulse (dance).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    I like the oldies stations, makes a change from the bland selection available on FM such as 2fm, Today, Spin and iradio who all sound the same. Only one oldies station in Ireland on fm (Classic Hits) and it doesn’t reach the 26 counties!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Looking at the bitrates of each service, below is the capacity breakdown of the current 26 offerings by station genre:

    "Genre specific music" - 38% (10 services)
    "Era specific music" - 31% (8 services)
    "Relay of existing FM station" - 23% (5 services)
    "Religious" - 4% (2 services)
    "Irish language" - 4% (1 service)

    My guess is the presence of the FM relays is to prove the feasibility of the DAB service as an FM replacement. My car, for example, doesn't even list the FM services that are duplicated on DAB. It gives priority to DAB. In day-to-day driving around, this has caused no noticeable issues for me.

    Still a shame there is no dedicated dance/electronic service. There's an over supply of 80s/oldies services in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    To use the example of Northern Ireland, they have 10 transmission sites over their population which would be a fairly rural area by British standards. The question isn't how much will it cost or will it be worthwhile, more how much more or less does it cost over FM. Almost every car radio has a DAB transmitter in it these days so if a switchover similar to DTT were to reap cost savings it would be a no-brainer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    @JDxtra That's an interesting one about the car radio, just checked mine and it's the same (going by Newstalk anyway) There's no FM/DAB separate bands it just shows a list of what it's receiving.

    Unfortunately if I move the car about 5 metres DAB will disappear😁 mobile is not possible at my location in N Tipp but even a little poxy tin box Pure Mi can pick them up in the house.

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭david23


    That's what happened with the small scale DAB trial licences in the UK, which launched around 2015. They never closed down, they just kept getting rolled over until the permanent licences were ready to launch. The one in Portsmouth switched to its permanent frequency last month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Alas that has been the history of DAB radio in Ireland to date.

    Unless there has been a significant change in the thinking on the future of broadcasting in Ireland ,this test will come to an end next March.

    Too many parties want the status quo to remain.

    Regarding the lack of eg Jazz service , all stations were required to gain a CnaM licence .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    I agree about this - I find myself skipping through the Onic-branded stations. I think they should either rebrand each station individually, e.g. change "Onic Rock" to "Rock Classics" or something. Or change the branding to somehting like "Fantastic", so you'd have "Fantastic R'n'B", Fantastic 80's", "Fantasic Rock" etc.

    Also Newstalk broadcasting at 64kbps is wasteful.

    One thing that does worry me about the future of the DAB+ service is that the FailteDAB website hasn't been updated at all since it first appeared. Still no information on the available services. I could understand that when the line-up wasn't complete, but it seems that the 26 stations are now failry definitive, but still nothing on the website. The FailteDAB website should be the go-to source for the latest information. It doesn't give me the sense that they're taking the promotion of the service very seriously, at least to this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    On a more positive note, Greatest Hits Radio has now officially been added to the Bauer portfolio of stations , more presenters are to be added in addition to Liam Quigley and Debbie Allen.

    With 8Radio FM run shortly , there should be a lot of plugging of their DAB+ option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Lord Nelson


    With regard to the FM relays, one wonders is there also other factors at play? Given the footprint of the DAB trial, the likes of Q102 is now legally broadcasting to an area far greater than that of its FM franchise licence. What’s the betting that some of the larger FM stations are looking at the possibility of becoming regional players if DAB becomes a reality? Not a desirable outcome in my opinion and given the regulator’s reluctance to confront or bring the large media players to heel, I wouldn’t be over confident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nobody put a fraction of the effort in to previous trials that Bauer and Onic have for this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Total Broadcast might disagree with that, Onic are only relaying services already available online so not much effort involved.

    The onic stations are automated high rotation playouts , Greatest Hits is at least a proper effort, but it's unfair to dismiss the attempts by others to push DAB in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Total didn't get any commercial broadcasters of scale onboard; or try in a real population centre.

    Realistically, it was doomed to failure from day one due to both of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,194 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I thought DAB had been abandoned here, after I was listening to a station the other day in the car pronouncing it was happy to be broadcasting on DAB this thread makes sense. Why the turnaround? (think it was Greatest Hists as mentioned above)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    RTE abandoned it. This is a further (third or fourth, arguably) commercial trial, but this time it actually has the main commercial broadcasters interested.

    The prior commercial trials had at best disinterest and re-broadcasts of existing FM services from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Greatest Hits Radio Ireland has been added to the airable database for internet radio users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Also, ONIC sounds like the noise a pig makes… Onic kids 😶

    Notably previous efforts by RTE and the commercial broadcasters only had about 10-12 stations per mux, having over 20 to offer presumably reduces the price every radio station pays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭david23


    The answer is partly that it's compulsory to include DAB in all new cars sold in the EU. It's in an increasing number of cars in Ireland without anyone choosing to go out and buy a DAB radio from a shop.

    It's starting to take off in other EU countries, and streaming in car isn't quite as user friendly as DAB at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    Just a thought, but if RTE fired up their multiplex on 12C, would they be able offer slots to other commercial broadcasters?

    If it was DAB+ with maybe RTE Radio 1, 2, Lyric, RnaG, RTE Gold, and maybe one or two others, they could offer maybe 15 other slots for other stations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    They have taken down the aerials off their masts so cant see that happening !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭pureza


    RTÉ rely on advertising

    They’re not about to flood the market with cheap alternatives

    They didn’t when they had DAB and they won’t now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They were explicitly not allowed run ads on their digital stations. If they were, they'd have spun up more.



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