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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭zv2


    It seems to me that the plan is to destabilize Iran to the point that its people will have a chance of overthrowing the government (there are anti government factions in Iran). If that happens anything is possible.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭yagan


    Russia has its own factories making the drones, the design is Iranian. It would seem someone wants to make the Ukraine war about justifying genocide in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,873 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    According to this video it looks like Ukraine has limited their ability to locally produce them in perfect timing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Who would want to do that? They are shooting people looking for food!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,834 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    apparently the motors still come from Iran (according to yesterdays Ukraine: The Latest podcast), not sure if it’s still the case though..

    Remember there was a ‘made in Ireland’ stamp on an engine carburettor(?) from a downed Russian drone a few years ago? So there’s probably still parts Iran can procure easier/cheaper than Russia..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭yagan


    Some people want to conflate the fight against Russia as the same as against Iran, when in fact it's Israel and Russia that are the ones practicing genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Tell that to the families of the people who died this morning in the 450+ Shaheed drone attack

    Some people can’t come to admit that there is “an axis of assholes” which consists of Russia, Iran, North Korea whom now started two wars and share equipment, ammo, technology and men

    The targets of these wars are

    • Ukraine who follow rules of war and avoided going after civilians (despite calls to do so as seen higher up page)
    • Israel who lowered itself to the level of the assholes and become one themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Infini


    The problem is that Vatnik Russia is likely one of the main factors which emboldened Iran if not outright pushed them to press their proxies to instigate 7/10 in Israel. I would likely guess correctly that thanks to the ties between "Best Korea", Iran and Vatnik Russia that the latter needed a distraction from Ukraine and one of the best ideas to distract the US was to get Iran to flare up Israeli-Palestinian tensions so they became more interested in things there. This ironically did work to some degree as some idiots were too busy pontificating over Biden and refusing to vote for Kamala while completely disregarding El Presidente Taco's plan to let Bibi (who would likely be in jail right now if not for Hamas's fúck up) bomb Gaza into a parking lot and has ultimately meant US aid slacking off. The problem is that this also backfired on Iran because Israel has decided to go strait for Iran and their proxies throats, bombing the latter into pieces decapacitating one of them with the most hilarious name for an operation in modern history and now seems to have decided to use Iran's nuclear program as the cassis belli to try and go and lance the boil once and for all that's the Ayatollah and friends. Taking Iran off the board in any serious shape or form would severely cripple an already weakened Putin even further leaving him reliant solely on North Korea who so far getting a rather good deal out of all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,760 ✭✭✭✭josip


    People focus on Iran and North Korea, but I suspect that it is China providing most of the assistance to keep Russian in the fight. Simply because they can and it's cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    'Some' of the motors, the rest come from China, and we all know they will likely have no trouble filling Irans boots. I think it likely the Shahed deal included a condition they source from Iran as that country is always after foreign currency, which would be why they weren't all coming from China.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭yagan


    Kazakhstan is far more important to China as an ally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Which would make you think America would side against Russia if China is involved and Israel also against Russia as they are helping Iran.


    All of this makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah fair enough. I guess I was a bit blinded my rage towards the Russians after their latest attack and feel the Russian population should experience just what their government does to Ukraine every night for last 3 years.

    But Ukraine is facing an uphill battle already and does need its weapons for more important targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    The North Koreans are coming to rebuild Kursk, what a bizarre prospect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭zv2


    You are sort of right. It has been argued (by Gary Kasparov) that Russia needs to feel defeat. They need to see Ukrainian flags in Crimea. Their arrogance needs to be humbled. One way to do this is a mass civilian attack. Honestly, that would teach them. But Ukraine is not capable of this at the moment and any smaller attempts would be a waste of time an energy. Best to fight on against military targets.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Russians have used dirt-cheap North Korean labor for years. Mostly out in the Siberian forests working at lumber yards, so this is somewhat new. I guess this is what happens when you torpedo most of your local workforce with a cack-handed war of attrition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Field east


    it suits Russia to start/support anything , INCLUDING WARS, that puts pressure on other countries for the following reasons

    (1) world oil /gas prices rise which suits its economy eg prices rising because of the Iran threat to block the Straits of Hormuz

    (2) weakens other economies in relation to it’s own eg The US having to spend millions on the current Gaza/iran conflict

    (3) Deflects attention away from what Russia is up to eg it’s SMO.

    (4) The more conflict in the world and the supply of arms, finance, etc, etc, to ‘assist’ in addressing same the less arms, finance, etc, etc, that are available to ‘assist’ Ukraine in its war with Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Field east


    I wonder if there is regime change in Iran - including with a change only of the ‘Supreme Leader’ a stepping down- is there a possibility that there could be a change with regards to it’s support for Russia in it’s war with Ukr. I am not aware of the Iranian’s opposition parties policy on that issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    The knock-on effects of Israel's latest war adventures and Trump's indifference. Ukraine wants ceasefire, Russia does not. What happens from here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Field east


    on thing is ‘words’. eg. NK supplying labour to build Kursk . Actioning on those ‘words’ is another matter alltogether



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭thomil


    No bother, and you’re not exactly wrong about it either. As @zv2 pointed out, Russians need to actually feel defeat. I’d argue that one of the main reasons Germany turned around as hard as it did was that the situation in May 1945, unlike three decades earlier in November 1918, left no room for doubt as to where the country stood: All the major cities were in ruins, much of German territory was crawling with foreign soldiers, and millions of Germans were dead. The defeat was so total that there was simply no space for a stab-in-the-back myth to build up, and people got busy cleaning up the rubble and starting to rebuild. Look at any interview with members of my grandparents’ generation about the immediate post-war time. The tenor you’ll hear is “what’s the use? Might as well get the place cleaned up!”

    Unfortunately, as I mentioned a few times before, I fear that we’re dealing with a completely different mentality in Russia. The sense of civil society, of civic responsibility that drove post-war leaders such as Willy Brandt, Franz-Josef Strauß or Helmut Schmidt (purposefully leaving out Adenauer here, that guy was a crook through and through!), or even the drive to improve the situation that we saw in Germany, or Ukraine for that matter, doesn’t seem to be present in Russia to nearly the same degree as it was in Germany.

    Speaking of which, I’ve been bingeing German TV documentaries about that generation of post-war leaders recently, primarily about Helmut Schmidt, but also about Brandt and Strauß. One of the recurring themes of these documentaries is the “neue Ostpolitik”, the policy of rapprochement pursued by Willy Brandt and Helmut Schmidt from the late 1960s onwards. It’s just incredible to see how much more sane and rational Soviet leaders like Andropov or Brezhnev were compared to the current Russian leadership. I honestly doubt that the type of back channel negotiations that resulted in the normalisation of West German relations with Eastern Europe and the USSR would be possible today.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    Epic trolling. Once the fat, incontinent, dementia suffering pathological narcissist left, they replaced him with a real leader who they could actually talk to without having to resort to using baby words and who didn't keep nodding off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,621 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I really do think there should be a concerted effort to have Zelenskyy dubbed "the leader of the free world".

    It's genuinely far more accurate to describe him as such than any US president since Clinton imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,523 ✭✭✭wassie


    Think of it like a working holiday for North Koreans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Also, handy for domestic propaganda. "We went to the west, and it was worse than here".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A couple of days ago one of the parties fulfilled the obligations of Istanbul 2.0 to exchange fallen soldiers. Russia has sent over 6000 bodies supervised by the red cross and offered another 2200+ to be be offered shortly. Ukraine still has to supply the 5992 promised to the other side as agreed.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,077 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Give them time. Ukraine just need to kill a few more of the invading scum.

    How about Russia fulfils its obligations under international law and the Budapest agreement and abandon its illegal war of aggression in Ukraine and stop conducting the war via war crimes and indiscriminate attacks against civilians?

    Some of us are more concerned with the fate of innocent people in Ukraine instead of the dead bodies of Russian war criminals.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




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