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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,923 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Never heard of Musk Derangement Syndrome until today

    HIS SATELLITES ARE FALLING OUT OF THE SKY

    they're not falling out of the sky

    THATS EVEN WORSE (9 THANKS)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Musk is such a great businessman: throws his lot behind Trump - alienating his core market - then pisses of half the country in 'DOGE', pisses of most of Europe by inserting himself in our elections (supporting the far right), before having a nasty spat with the 'Commander in Chief'. Genius!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    I'm not interested in the discussion of this, precisely due to your rather "binary" first sentence above. As for Musk himself I am ambivalent. His political views are not very sophisticated and in themselves not very interesting. There's plenty of other people criticising them. He is a very impressive entrepreneur though and I like his stance on free speech on Twitter.

    I just shake my head at all this kind of stuff :-

    • he gets other people to do the work and is only an investor
    • the hatred towards Tesla from people who claim to care about the environment.
    • websites devoted to all the mistakes and false promises (that's a new one on me)
    • This idea that meeting a representative of a company like Tesla should be off-limits because the CEO has a negative public image. To me that is just juvenile, social media driven, "join the dots" guilt by association bs.

    I've said all this before. Just zero interest in arguing about it, except to note when the social media bubble starts to impinge on the real world here.

    In terms of Musk's reputation, there will be interesting history written about it, but I think it really only began to tank when he bought Twitter and restored free speech on the platform. That's what really drove the "derangement" imo.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What ever business acumen and vision that Musk may or may not have had before, would seem to have disappeared down a 4Chan-esque rabbit hole of hate filled conspiracy their fueled by lots of drug use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,120 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Musk's stance on free speech? Is that banning and shadow banning accounts of people Musk doesn't like?

    The New York Times reports that three users who squabbled with Musk in December — all prominent right-wing accounts — saw their engagement "practically vanish overnight," with their posts suddenly plunging far below the number of views they normally receive, in some cases never to recover…
    Musk has a history of vindictively abusing his power on the site. He's repeatedly 
    suspended the accounts of journalists, most notably in 2022, targeting critics of his takeover of the website. Some journalists have also claimed to have been shadow banned

    https://futurism.com/twitter-shadow-ban-elon-musk

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    And just to answer this. If it is the case normally that ministers don't meet representatives of individual companies, then absolutely, it is a nothing burger and click bait from the IT. But, other posters are saying the minister shouldn't meet Tesla for the exact reason implied in the article. It can't work both ways. That's all I'm going to say on it.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    He restored free speech on twitter did he? Well we absolutely know you are nowhere near as unbias as you like to claim with such a ridiculous statement like that.

    https://gizmodo.com/10-times-elon-musk-censored-twitter-users-1850570720#content

    And thats just from when he bought it until june 2023, there's been another 2 years of his censorship since then.

    Its also not join the dots guilt by association, its simply how things work. Elon makes money from every Tesla sold so if the government show any support for Tesla, which at this stage due to how toxic the brand is would involve even publicly meeting their reps, they would be indirectly supporting Elons increased wealth and his own disgusting opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,120 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Even if there wasn't such a blanket policy, they have outlined the political reasons why it would not be prudent to meet with Tesla in the current climate. That doesn't mean that is the only reason they should not meet them - that is your spin on it.
    And after several attempts, you haven't explained how "public policy" would be affected by this.

    If they want to make a submission let them go through the proper channels.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Says he is ambivilant to and has zero interest in discussing Musk, then goes on to discuss Musk.

    By 'zero interest in discussing this' what you actually mean is;

    'I want to soapbox my own opinions on Musk but scoff at all of yours'.

    Bully for you I suppose? Plenty of people have legitimate reasons for thinking Musk, his associations and actions are a danger and want to steer clear. Absolutely nothing wrong with political figures feeling the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    Oh Lord. Did you question any of that article on what he supposedly did with Twitter? The easiest one for me to check was "banning the words cis and cisgender". He may well have uttered those words, but you can check if "cis" and "cisgender" are actually banned, and of course they aren't. The American left have lost their minds, because he revoked the ban on culture war words and phrases dear to them.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,245 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    • he gets other people to do the work and is only an investor - You think he's sitting in a lab running calculations most days? No, he tells his scientists and engineers what he wants, and they go do it.
    • the hatred towards Tesla from people who claim to care about the environment. - Tesla are not the only EV manufacturer. Yes, they were one of the first out of the gate and one of the most prominent in the field, but that's long gone now and they're being surpassed in many aspects.
    • websites devoted to all the mistakes and false promises (that's a new one on me) - Accountability matters.
    • This idea that meeting a representative of a company like Tesla should be off-limits because the CEO has a negative public image. To me that is just juvenile, social media driven, "join the dots" guilt by association bs. - Personally I'd rather not see our government ministers called paedophiles if they disagree with Musk, which is something Musk has form for doing (he literally just said Trump is in the Epstein files after falling out with Trump, which implies either he knew about it and continued working for Trump and praising him, or he made it up, and both of those are bad). His reputation began to tank when he called someone working on rescuing the children from the cave in Thailand a paedophile simply because he said Musk's idea wouldn't work. That was before he bought Twitter. At that stage, the concept and public image of Musk being a genius was shattered because the reality of Musk being a f*ckhead was laid bare for all to see.

    Musk is a f*cking joke, his association with the US government has been shambolic, and overall he is not even worth meeting at this stage. He's not that important. Not to mention things like his failed Hyperloop project which ended up being a few Tesla cars self-driving through a short tunnel, all to prevent and co-opt investment in public transport. We don't need Musk to convince our politicians to waste money on frivolous, pointless things like that. They're already great at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    LOL of course you ignored 9 of the 10 things that are absolutely true so you couldnt dismiss them and went straight to the culture war sh1t. Did you read it either? Did it say he banned the words? No it said he they were going to be considered slurs on the platform. Now maybe he didnt follow through on it I don't know as i don't have an account to check. But he did say those things.

    And even if he didn't follow through the very concept of there being slurs that are not allowed be used on the platform means there is censorship on his twitter which means he did not restore "free speech" as you claimed.

    And lets be honest you like him and everyone else who claims to want "free speech" actually just want "freedom from consequences" for saying horrible sh1t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    There's nothing else in the article other than this.

    One shining example is Musk’s willingness to silence the opponents of foreign governments. Governments often ask social media companies to take down posts or accounts they don’t like. Before Musk took over, Twitter complied with about half of these requests. The numbers shot up under his leadership; these days,

    Elon’s Twitter cooperates with government censorship requests 80% of the time

    I can't check that. Where are the other eight examples?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Click the very obvious slideshow at the top of the article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    How they interact with their competitors (including Substack that you have to pay to read all of) is a different issue to censorship. You can certainly include links to substack posts though.

    Same with the Bluetick revenue raising effort. Yes, you can argue strongly that it wasn't a good idea, but it's not censorship. The algorithm used to highlight one set of posts over another is not censorship, but I would agree it should be more transparent.

    Taylor Lorenz seems to be still posting away there .. so she hasn't gone anywhere.

    Some of the other examples I'd accept don't look great. And it isn't a great look if someone connected to the Indian govt. calls him up and complains about a particular tweet that he gets deleted. Same goes for his private jet. But, at the end of the day - is there a systematic policy enforced preventing criticism of Elon Musk or the Indian government? No, there isn't.

    I just did a search on X for "Elon Musk". Here's the first post that comes up

    The bottom line for me is that I (like any Joe Soap) can discuss anything I want on Twitter with fewer restrictions than before (or even on this site). Posts don't get deleted like before for using forbidden phrases or words (when in reality it was moderators enforcing their personal ideologies). And it's not like Bluesky where you can find yourself on blocked lists before you even start posting and which by all accounts also tolerates some fairly horrible posting and posters. I like it. You don't have to. So, it's all good.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,323 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yet you still have some people who are so, so, desperate to cling to the Musk myth even though he's thoroughly exposed himself as none of the things many thought he was previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,165 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    A fair bit to unpick here, but to keep it simple:

    • Musk has no interest in "free speech", he uses it as a convenient vehicle to get his extreme views out, ignores it when he wants to ban someone on his platform.
    • Hatred towards Tesla is a result of him being a complete twat. Whether it's the far right stuff, obscene views, pro-Trump, etc. Completely of his own making.
    • Twitter has taken a dive and turned into a cesspit under his tenure
    • Yes he's been a successful entrepreneur - by making smart people do the leg-work. Which is fine, except that he has garnered credit for it.

    I suspect the history books won't be as kind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I only follow a few twitter accounts and don’t post on it, but the amount of pure scutter I see is still mind boggling. If this is seen as some shining example of free speech, then people are easily impressed.

    And wasn’t Musk legally forced to but twitter after the ketamine wore off, and let’s not forget how he got the offer price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭corkie


    Not a good day for Musk!?

    Was wondering too, why the media had a strong focus on Age Verification at present? Another article yesterday on it.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41651807.html

    It also makes it incumbent on platforms to have robust age assurance such as verifying a passport photo to prevent children from seeing pornography or gratuitous violence online, as “merely asking users whether they are over 18 will not be enough”.

    Set to fully come into force next month, the code is binding on platforms including Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, X, Linkedin, Pinterest, Udemy and Tumblr.

    I applied for a passport online yesterday, and posted the supporting documents today. My last passport was issued in 2005, so was well outside the issued in last 15 years to be able to just renew.

    Getting it mainly as a way for easy online verification, so not to be locked out of my favourite apps.

    Edit:- 18/06 estimated issue date for it is 16/7 so won't have it by the start of the month, if they are fast enforcing age verification on the apps.

    Are you prepared for this development?

    Haven't really been on 'X' since before May (still getting notifications which I'm not even opening), I spent most of the last month creating a github page with two PWA's for browsing ATProto Records. Static HTML/JS browser based record viewer.

    Post edited by corkie on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,165 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You can discuss anything you want on 4chan, so why come to Boards with all it's censorship and restrictions. Same argument.

    Not everyone wants to swim in an open sewer purely because it has no swimming restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    The reason I post here is that there are fair number of open minded posters, and it does have a relevance to Irish politics and policy making. I've never posted on 4chan. Not sure I've ever even looked at it.

    For me Twitter/X is the best though. The criticisms against it are mostly bogus imo. What elon Musk says and does is not the same as what actually happens on X. You can easily filter out the dross you don't want to see, by interacting with the site. They want to keep you engaged, scrolling for hours every day. The post a couple above yours says something interesting on that:

    I only follow a few twitter accounts and don’t post on it, but the amount of pure scutter I see is still mind boggling. If this is seen as some shining example of free speech, then people are easily impressed.

    That's exactly what free speech is. The freedom to post what someone else thinks is "pure scutter" uncensored. I always quote this line that I saw years ago, when online discussion was still in its infancy. "The price of having the New York Times, is putting up with The National Enquirer"

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,165 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I've been a twitter user for a long time. It's a complete and utter cesspit now. Have you seen what occurs after any terrorist attack?

    When guardrails are removed, the **** comes flowing right in. And a significant number of people can't tell fact from fiction. With real world consequences.

    Handing racists and ignorant people megaphones because some of us want to air certain non-PC views isn't producing any net positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,963 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Doesn't even have to be a terrorist attack, Liverpool recently when that chap drove through the crowd is a prime example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,013 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Freeer speech doesn't mean better speech.

    They always compared twitter to a town hall. If this was a town hall there would be a group of people right at the front screaming the N word on megaphones whilst everyone else is just trying to discuss stuff. That's what the bluetick and a lack of moderation has done, and that included the algorithm changes that that pushes this content to the top of the feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    I don't think Twitter is like a town-hall. It might be like 10,000 different town halls that you can tune into or not. I didn't see any of that Liverpool or other terrorist stuff because that's not the stuff I tune into. I remember at one time I started getting a lot of videos of things like road rage incidents and I had to put a stop to it. You can do that easily with different feedback controls.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Delete it, move to Bluesky. Life's too short to be listening to and reading the shite that goes on on Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,245 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Funny how those who seem to think Musk is one of the true geniuses behind what his companies achieve, never seem to blame Musk when stuff like this happens.

    (obviously, Musk barely had anything to do with this launch, and unfortunately these things are liable to happen)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭plodder


    If it was North Korea, the technicians "responsible" would probably already be facing the firing squad.

    I just noticed this. JD vance was banned shortly after setting up an account on Blue Sky, and it seems like a lot of people on the site are okay with that. If this is what you want, then I suppose Bluesky is the place to be …. Though it looks like he was subsequently unbanned.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,245 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    His account was banned likely until it could be verified if it was actually JD Vance or someone impersonating him, because unlike 'X', Bluesky has actual moderation standards. The account was reinstated shortly after.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

    As for "a lot of people on the site are okay with that", most people just found it funny.



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