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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • #872
    thereiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Sky news says a few per cent of missiles get thru from Iran

    large buildings have been hit in tel Aviv .There's no such thing as a 100 per cent effective shield against missiles Israel is going to bomb every military site and missile launcher it can find in. Iran. .The Iranian government is asking to start negotiations for peace as they know Israel would turn Iranian citys into rubble as they did in Gaza .They can also target infrastructure and power stations



  • #873
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Movementarian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550391#Comment_123550391

    At no point did I defend Iran or its regime. I simply said attacking other countries at will is generally looked down on except in the case of Israel. If Iran had started this particular attack this wouldnt even be a discussion point.

    There are plenty of evil regimes all over the world, Iran, North Korea, Russia, the US who all opress their people in different ways and destabilise and outright attack other nations. They either get rightly called out when they do or dont do it in the first place. Why is Israel treated differently?

    If Iran truly ever did get nuclear capability I think its foolish to assume they would immediately strike Israel. They would assure their own destruction. Thats the case for all nuclear nations, they arent even considered because the country that launches would be wiped out in turn.



  • #874
    DayInTheBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550423#Comment_123550423

    In your book the only good guys seem to be to be Hamas. Seems there health ministry is totally believed by you.



  • #875
    DayInTheBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Definitely not doing a great job of genocide in Gaza as you've said. Not to mention , more births than deaths. 130 children born every day in Gaza. Id have thought Israel could do a better job at wiping out the population of Gaza

    Mod - warned for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • #876
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Movementarian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550612#Comment_123550612

    That is simply a disgusting comment. Disgusting.



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  • #877
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550446#Comment_123550446

    Okay? I never said anything to the contrary and none of that changes anything I said, I don't really understand what the "hold on" is about.

    Saying Hezbollah is one of Iran's major proxy forces that it's invested heavily into over the years is just factual regardless of how Hezbollah came into being.

    Iran built up all these proxy forces over a long period of time. It has all now collapsed, their entire deterrence strategy is in shambles and Israel is walking all over them at will.

    But again, the idea that Iran was struck out of nowhere, for no reason, is a total fantasy. They've been playing games for the last few decades and it's blown up in their faces, no pun intended.



  • #878
    DayInTheBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550630#Comment_123550630

    What part do you disagree with?

    If Israel wanted to wipe out the population of Gaza it could, it's simply not happening despite what people want to think.

    Those same people would like Israel to stop firing at Gazan locations to protect the people that Hamas don't care about as they use them as human shields. Those same people won't give a toss when Hamas then continue to fire rockets at Israeli civilians as a result of their launchers not being destroyed.



  • #879
    Madeoface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550612#Comment_123550612

    You're no better than a nazi apologist. Disgusting.



  • #880
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550538#Comment_123550538

    Hmmm - I'm guessing you're not going to provide any evidence for Haaretz - but what do you think about the Times of Israel? They quote Haaretz quite regularly.

    The "discrepancies" (I prefer lies) are an extension of Hasbara. Just like the Israeli supporter who lost a tooth in Amsterdam all of a sudden became a "Pogrom".

    The hyperbole of Israel is well known - and as others have pointed out, Israel has claimed Iran was months away from a nuclear weapon for the last 30 years.

    Your comment on those still alive in Gaza versus those who have been exterminated is disgusting a crass. But not surprising. Perhaps you'd prefer to see a few hundred thousand more die of starvation before you change your mind.

    I would not have described Dresden as Genocide in the 1940's because the term didn't exist then.



  • #881
    Noworries!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550448#Comment_123550448

    Agree, I would hope an international peacekeeping/ enforcement force would be sent in to try restore some semblance of order and humanity



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  • #882
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550585#Comment_123550585

    Well if Israel, as well as a host of other organisations believes the Health Ministry, who am I to argue?

    And no need to bother with the baiting, my views on Hamas are clear - in the appropriate thread.

    To bring this little discourse back on topic, do you think Isreal are the good guys in this conflict between them and Iran?



  • #883
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550630#Comment_123550630

    This comment has been made multiple times.

    It was crass and disgusting back then as it is now. But it isn't surprising that the usual posts in support of Genocide are from the same morally bankrupt cohort.

    They'd be happy enough seeing Gaza and Iran wiped off the map - just like Likud.

    It's also telling that the same folks always come up with same tired whataboutery regarding Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc. ad nauseum. You'd swear they've never heard of the Holocaust and "never again".

    And of course, they have a lot of trouble with facts.



  • #884
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550692#Comment_123550692

    One would think that the belligerents would agree. But if they don't, perhaps it will be forced upon them.

    But I won't hold my breath - last week Israel called for the removal of UNIFIL - including the Irish Blue Berets who help to keep civilians safe (from both sides).



  • #885
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550630#Comment_123550630

    I think 'Day in the Bog' was being sarcastic.



  • #886
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550726#Comment_123550726

    Sweet Jesus…



  • #887
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550696#Comment_123550696

    A few random anonymous Israelis accepting the Gazan health ministry's figures is not an indication of Israeli government acceptance of those figures.



  • #888
    Noworries!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550725#Comment_123550725

    I'd say forced upon is the only show in town, but I think it needs to be actioned and soon, or it will be a moot discussion.



  • #889
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550676#Comment_123550676

    That term also didn't exist during the Holocaust and, three decades before that, the mass murder of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire.



  • #890
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,289 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550378#Comment_123550378

    I don’t disagree but it still does not make this Iranian regime “the good guys”

    The only one who is saying this is you.



  • #891
    michael-henry-mcivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123548174#Comment_123548174

    The headlines in Iran was about the Iranian missiles slamming slam dunk into Israeli citys-



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  • #892
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550739#Comment_123550739

    Once again, you appear to be averse to the facts. Unless you think Israeli intelligence is a random anonymous organisation?

    "Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministry’s statistics are manipulated."



  • #893
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,111 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550739#Comment_123550739

    From what I've seen of Israeli media, there is no suggestion that they or the Israeli public dispute that around 50,000 people have been killed by the regime. Given the level of total destruction to the enclave and the fact that it has been bombed every day for the last two years, it would be astonishing to nearly everyone if the figure was considerably lower.



  • #894
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550226#Comment_123550226

    Also Mark, the Jewish people have a right to the land they used to live on 2,000 years ago.

    I said that?

    I dont think I did, but I am sure you can quote me…



  • #895
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550742#Comment_123550742

    So why did you ask me the question?

    I'm guessing you might be clutching at straws to try and get some kind of "gotcha"? It would be appreciated if you at least tried to have a genuine debate rather than throwing out weird questions and making obviously spurious statements that are very easily debunked.

    But to get back on topic, what do you think about the Israel/Iran campaign? Do you think Israel is justified in launching an unprovoked attack on Iran or should they have waited for the discussions on Iran's nuclear program to conclude?



  • #896
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550252#Comment_123550252

    You seem to have a lot to say on what I think, but suffice to say, I have never 'supported' the killing of tens of thousands of civilians…

    It seems the only way to win an argument around here is to make stuff up about other posters and attack them rather than attack the post or the points made.



  • #897
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550741#Comment_123550741

    100%
    It'll be very very difficult. But if the Iranians overthrow their regime and Israel overthrows theirs, there will be hope. At least for a bit.



  • #898
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550258#Comment_123550258

    So cash from Qatar and Iran has funded Hamas… thanks for proving my point.



  • #899
    DayInTheBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550710#Comment_123550710

    So just because I don't agree with your anti semitism, I'm morally bankrupt.

    Btw, I never once said I'd be happy to see Gaza wiped off the map . Hamas wiped off the map , definitely. You can't negotiate with people who want your total destruction, which is what Hamas have clearly said they want.



  • #900
    DayInTheBog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Never mentioned Nazis in my post once, but do carry on with your delusion.

    I'm not the one shouting about getting rid of Israel from the river to the sea. That only has one meaning.



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  • #901
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123550789#Comment_123550789

    Seems you didn't read the link I provided you.

    And I recall you queried me on quitting data from "over 20 years ago". The link I provided clearly shows that's bogus.

    It really is a shame when folks simply parrot the Hasbara and cannot engage in personal critical thinking - even when handed the evidence on a plate. But sure, people are entitled to be ignorant - some even revel in it.



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