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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Neither are Gazan women. Regime change for Israel!

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A supporter of the killing of tens of thousands of civilians by Israel should not be trying to claim any moral high ground about the killing of innocent women. 🤢

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    To be fair, if those proxies had not engaged in attacks, Israel would have found justifying it's actions far more difficult. As it is, we could very easily topple into another world war. Israel is out of control, but I'm sure there's plenty of Iranians who would rejoice if their was a regime change, to a more liberal one... we can but hope!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmmm - so now its the "Iranian Regime" and not Iran any more?

    You do realise that the Israelis are not just killing the "Iranian Regime"?

    I'll let you read this about Hamas and how long Israel has been allowing it to be funded - just to be truthful and genuine like…:

    Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000.

    Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.


    Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    They were on the verge of a deal with Saudi until Hamas got upset and killed 1200 Israeli men , women and children and took hostages including babies which they also subsequently killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don’t cheer on for a regime that not only starts wars abroad, helps bomb innocent people, but abuses its own population

    Here's the thing - that quote could apply to Israel (except they don't "help" bombing innocent people - they do it themselves).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Looks like that despite the warnings today, staff of that state TV outlet kept working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems Israel are finding no obstacles at all to setting up Concentration Camps in Gaza and starving 2 million people, many to their deaths.

    Of course what Hamas and Hezbollah and the Jihadists did and are doing is abhorrent. But for Israel to use its military might to obliterate an entire population in revenge is equally, if not more abhorrent.

    Israelis despise Netanyahu and his Govt. probably equally as much as the Iranians despise their own Regime. And therein lies the hypocrisy - people screaming for Regime change in Iran but happy out with the Israel Govt. steadily leading its people to becoming a world Pariah by committing Genocide and now warmongering further afield. Who's next then - Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I suppose you also want them to stop firing at rocket launchers and arms dumps in Gaza because Hamas are using civilians as human shields and just let Hamas keep firing from those locations with impunity at Jewish civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Speak for yourself as to who condemns Israel. The world does not condemn Israel only Hamas supporters who think Israel should stop firing at the ones who want to see it destroyed and should just sit back while Hamas rips Jewish babies out of Jewish mothers wombs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Movementarian


    Why are Israel one of the only countries in the world who are constantly allowed to attack anyone they want without consequences or other leaders calling them out?

    Why does South Korea not 'preemptively' attack North Korea to stop their nuclear programme? Or India/Pakistan? Plenty of other countries with historic and current hatred of each other who have or are developing nuclear weapons and none of them have nuked each other.

    Israel is the only country allowed to get away with attacking other countries at will, murdering scientists or innocent civilians all under the name of self defence before anything has even happened. Russia tried that argument in Ukraine and the world cancelled them. Israel murdera Iranian nuclear scientists on the regular and launches an attack on Iran and because what, we dont like Iran so thats okay?

    We all know why they don't get called out en mass. And we all know its wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You do know that not all Israelis are Jewish, right? And that the IDF currently control 80% of Gaza?

    Seems your a little behind the news cycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No Jewish baby was ripped out of a Jewish mother’s womb.
    You are a victim of propaganda to make you hate innocent people and it has worked.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is a remarkable and terrifying video. Shot by a Passenger on a plane. This is what the start of WW3 would look like if these were nuclear armed ICBMs. You can even see the point where the first and second stages separate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Opinion piece from Haaretz (Israel's oldest newspaper). Is I posted - Netanyahu and his right wing Govt. are leading its citizens into political oblivion with all its current campaigns. This will stain Israel for a long long time.

    "No war with Iran will erase our crimes in Gaza. This weekend, Haaretz published a horrifying article by Nir Hasson, Yarden Michaeli and Avi Scharf about the destruction of Gaza. Look at the satellite photos.

    This is us, the 21st-century people of Israel.

    We erase cities, destroy towns, pulverize villages.

    There's no military explanation that could even come close to justifying this destruction, which, legally speaking, is a blatant crime.

    And we haven't even mentioned yet the starvation tactics and the weaponizing of humanitarian aid to perpetrate a population transfer"

    Michael Sfard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I don’t disagree but it still does not make this Iranian regime “the good guys” nor absolves them of all the bullshit they created against own population and wider region and here in Europe where every night people have to live in terror of Iranian drones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Reminds me of that scene at the end of one of the Terminator films

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Iran's been funding proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah for decades to strike at, and destabilize Israel. It's not exactly a secret.

    The idea that Iran is some peace-loving country minding its own business being bullied by Israel is complete nonsense.

    It's a despotic fundamentalist regime more interested in oppressing its own people and seeing Israel burn than improving their lot.

    People really have to stop sticking their head in the sand with this "Iran is a victim of evil Israel" spiel. It's not based in reality.

    Hardly Israel's fault that Iran picked a fight with Israel and when push comes to shove it's getting decimated.

    Do you honestly think that Israel would have the faintest interest in Iran, 2000km and several countries away, if Iran wasn't actively plotting against it for the last few decades?

    Ask yourself why Israel is striking Iran at such great distance but has had peace with its neighbor Eygpt for more than 40 years.

    Could it possibly be….Iran is the architect of its own misfortune, maybe?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    The first paragraph was the point I was making, Israel can use the proxy attacks as defence for their actions. If these had not happened, Israels actions would be much more widely condemned.Regime change in Israel can also be achieved via the ballot box, the views of the Israeli people will be heard, unsure if Iranians are given the same choice, but seems to be somewhat undemocratic over there. It's difficult to see how things can be resolved now, with so much hatred on all sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, seems you really are unaware of facts and truth. Plenty of World leaders, the UN, Aid and Humanitarian organisations, lawyers, military personnel and even Holocaust survivors have excoriated Israel for its actions - not just me.

    But you're not doing your credibility any favours by posting a debunked news item.

    You might look up Zaka - the "charity" who claimed they'd seen beheaded babies, one apparently cooked in an oven , and the old chestnut of a baby "ripped from its living mother's womb". Zaka claimed all of this whilst asking for donations to support their activities. They made a cool $13m from the US alone - oddly enough, their audited accounts didn't quite add up. And when they recovered Israeli remains after Oct 7th, they mixed up a load of body parts and some simply disappeared.

    But don't take my word for it - here's what Times of Israel said:

    "The often-lauded organization has been plagued by controversies in the past. Its founder and longtime chairman, Yehuda Meshi Zahav, attempted suicide in 2021 after an investigative report revealed numerous allegations of rape and sexual assault by him against men and women, including minors, over several decades. Meshi Zahav remained unconscious for a year following the suicide attempt until his death in 2022.

    While the actions of the organization’s volunteers received high praise in the wake of October 7, there have also been instances of criticism. According to a Haaretz report from February 2024, some ZAKA officials were accused of creating promotional content while on the job and releasing sensitive and graphic photos to shock people into donating.

    A number of ZAKA volunteers also came under fire for being the source of since-debunked stories of the October 7 atrocities that spread rapidly online before they were revealed as fabrications. Those stories include that of a pregnant woman who was found with her fetus cut out of her body, and that of a baby which was baked in an oven, neither of which was ever confirmed or verified by Israeli authorities. The organization has said that volunteers who worked for days without sleep may have been traumatized and confused about what they had seen, and were not trained in forensics and may have misidentified findings due to extensively charred remains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Totally agree - nothing makes the Iranian Regime "the good guys" - but nothing makes Israel "the good guys" either. Its only Israel that's actively killing, executing and murdering tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

    Perhaps the solution is for the Israeli Govt and the Iranian Regime to pop off to an agreed remote location and knock seven colours out of each other to their hearts content - just leave the civilians out of it.

    As regards drones in Europe, have to say, its been pretty quiet on the West Coast of Ireland for the last while. Or is that you being a little bit extra liberal with the hyperbole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Hold on. Hezbollah was founded as a result of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982, which was triggered by the attempted assassination of the Israeli ambassador to London which Israeli wrongly and deliberately blamed on the PLO as a cassus belli for the invasion while knowing the PLO were not responsible.
    No Israeli invasion. No Hezbollah.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Yes - and a point you made well. Though Israel's current genocide in Gaza is not being addressed robustly enough. It was increasing in recent months for sure - perhaps Israel attacking Iran is simply yet another smokescreen to hide further atrocities currently continuing on their doorstep.

    And you're right - the hatred on all sides is appalling. Arabs are calling for the destruction of Israel, Jews are calling for "Arabs to be gassed" and so on. The problem seems insurmountable. But it has to be resolved or the phrase "never again" will never ring more hollow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's the reality of the situation. Both Israel and Iran have been locked in a "shadow conflict" for decades. Iran feeding missiles to proxies to fire into Israel, and Israel targeting those proxy forces while carrying out certain strikes and assassinations in Iran itself. If Iran could assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists they would, but since Israel already has nukes it wouldn't make much sense.

    People can argue it's "tit-for-tat" but optically Iran's position is worse. It's no secret they are behind most missiles launches against the general populace in Israel, 10's of thousands last count. It's not a good look, so Israel gets to claim defence and it strongly comes across that the autocratic regime in Iran requires conflict with Israel to stay in power even though it doesn't benefit the country in any way.

    Also since Israel is about the size of Munster and have been attacked multiple times throughout history they aren't keen that any of their enemies get nukes. So they can and will take pops at Iran's "peaceful" nuclear program whenever they can. They don't give a crap about world opinion, all that matters to them is their own security. And they hold all the cards, so Iran is screwed in that situation also.

    S Korea N Korea is a different situation. N Korea is already nuclear and are not really a genuine threat to S Korea or anyone else, they just sabre rattle from time to time to win concessions/attention in order to keep bringing in lobster on trains to their cult dynasty leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It's the same process as 2003 when the US and UK illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan- ah but SH is a dictator yada yada yada....they never faced any consequences apart from the utter destabilisation of the ME. Israel and the West get to do what they want, when they want. The hypocrisy is unreal so much of it echoed by posters here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,110 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I heard an analyst on Drivetime this evening saying that Israel doing yet more bad stuff (Iran) is a quite bizarre way to try and distract from the other bad stuff (Gaza) and is unlikely to work or take international pressure off the regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Haaretz is the Israeli equivalent of Village magazine in Ireland.

    The discrepancies in the ZAKA stories don't change the basic details of the October 7th atrocities.

    If there was genocide in Gaza then there wouldn't still be around 2 million Gazans still alive 20 months on. Would you've described the Dresden inferno as genocide if you'd been around in the 1940s?



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