Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

You do realise that most Irish bars abroad aren't even owned by Irish people?

Aye- now a days- most of the Irish owners sold up after they made a packet being a foreigner-

Mm ok. Are u mistaken brits for irish there. Because if your lumping one in with the other. Ya may need a history lesson. What foreigners do you refer to? The legally accessed and granted access to this country or illegal kind?

Plenty of Irish / Irish regiments in the brit army who served abroad- are U calling those Irish brits -?-

There’s a Chinese takeaway in my town so let’s ensure that 1/6 of the population of China must be foreign born…

Is this really the standard of argument for pro immigration posters now??

Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction re anecdotes and discussing other posters

An illegal migrant looking out for other illegal migrants. Does make sense to be honest.

Not liking someone just because they are illegal is just an excuse to hate-

I can work enough hours in the week to have what I need- I don't need to hate anyone to make them the excuse why life is not perfect-

History is full of those who hated because they were not good enough to pull up their own socks in the morning-

@ArthurDayne wrote: "The Right does not particularly want to restrict the freedom of global travel, even though doing so would likely have a material effect on not just reducing but actually potentially reversing current migration."

Of course the Right (and the Left) does not want that because it is not necessary. Like the Australian example given by someone else on this thread, Australia controls its borders effectively without restricting the freedom of travel of Australians or those legitimately in the country. This is why your point is not relevant.

Well they are not part of Shengen or the EU so we would not expect them to travel as freely within Europe as EU citizens do. But in terms of Australians traveling in and out of Australia, they can leave freely and when they return all they need to do is present their passport and they are through. Not that different really from an Irish person returning from say France into Dublin Airport. The Irish person shows their passport at passport control and they pass into the Ireland. As to what countries Australians can travel to without a visa, there are several but that is up to the other country, not Australia.

Yeah though I think you're sort of ignoring the major geographical differences here too. Australia is (after New Zealand) the most isolated "western" country.

I mean, you only have to pop on to www.flightradar24.com and compare Europe to Australia. Almost the entire continent of Europe is obscured by the icons of planes flying all directions while in Australia the traffic concentration is largely confined to its South East, which gives an indication of the very different challenge Europe faces as regards the movement of people.

Australia is quite simply not an easy / or as comparatively cheap place to reach — unlike Europe which is more reachable from Africa and the Middle East via multiple migrant corridors over land, sea and air (and once you're in Europe it is also probably one of the easiest landmasses on earth to get around relatively easily and inexpensively).

Comparisons to Australia are only useful to a certain degree. We face an entirely different situation in Europe.

Just to weigh in again as I am looking through various posters spinning things as other posters being too left or right. IMO the majority of Irish people have no bother with foreign people coming into this country if they are working and this crap of the Irish emigrated everywhere - I can tell you they didn't travel looking for a handout they went throughout the world and worked their a$$es off - I think anyone coming in here form a different country should have to do the same and contribute.

IMO the majority of Irish people would have no bother if people coming in were fleeing war at home and would be willing to foot the bill for a short time while these people are processed, integrated and get them working or send them home. In a lot of cases people are coming in looking for a handout and coming from a country where there are no wars actually going on. Also what we they don't want or need is people coming in and sitting on welfare - The number of people getting into Ireland are ignoring the first country of asylum rule is ridiculous and they should be deported back to the country where they came in from and anyone who flies in here and has no documentation should be sent straight away back to the country from where they came.

We need tighter security so we know who is coming in here and we need to cut right down on the numbers coming in until our infrastructure, housing, health, garda and education sectors in particular have caught up to the current population size. The country is bulging at the seams in all of these areas and just letting the status quo continue is going to cause so many more issues that we cant even fathom at the minute.

If I was in government I would cut welfare rates right down to those coming in - give enough to live on with no extras and get the process streamlined so a decision of they stay or go is done in weeks not months/years. If they are staying get them straight into jobs or courses and get them contributing. I bet if our welfare rates were a lot less attractive we would see the numbers seeking asylum here diminish quickly and steeply.

Yes, geographically very different. and I pointed this out to the poster who brought up the example of Australia. Nevertheless it is an example of a country that exercises a border policy while maintaining a high degree of convenience for its own residents. While not directly applicable there are certainly thing we can learn.

Lets be fair the things we can learn are don't have a land border with another country.

Don't join a multi state arrangement that includes visa free travel.

Australia has visa free travel with one country (New Zealand) and no land borders.