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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Loud explosions are witnessed near Iran’s Fordo nuclear site, indicating Israeli strikes at the facility, Iran International reports.

    The uranium enrichment facility is considered a crucial component of Iran’s nuclear program, but may be outside of Israel’s capabilities to completely destroy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I was asked to show that Iran's intent and actions towards Israelis are indeed genocidal. Perhaps you will take Khameni's word for it, describing Zionists as a "plague":

    https://x.com/khamenei_ir/status/1534481981681111041

    Today, #Zionism is an obvious plague for the world of #Islam. The Zionists have always been a plague, even before establishing the fraudulent Zionist regime. Even then, Zionist capitalists were a plague for the whole world. Now they’re a plague especially for the world of Islam.

    And, in practice, Iran's policy towards Ukraine is also genocidal as it is their drones that fly into Ukrainian apartment blocks on a nightly basis.

    To be clear, are you defending the Iranian regime?

    Do you consider the loss of Shahed drones for Russia to be good news or bad news? Are you defending the CRINKs?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am pointing out your hypocrisy whereby you condemn genocidal statements selectively- when Israeli government ministers have done so you have consistently denied it. To be clear are you still happy to defend a country that goes beyond utterances, that is actually committing genocide , while you claim to be against genocide?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    You can disagree with me about Israel's actions in Gaza, etc, that is fine. No issue there.

    But are you disagreeing that Israel's actions in Iran are (among other things) making EUROPE (e.g. Ukraine) safer? Do you think we as Europeans should be concerned with events in Europe? Are you denying that the CRINKs are a threat to peoples all over the world?

    THIS issue should be clear cut.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So when you said it was official government policy and the only reason for Iran’s existence. What you meant was after you claimed that you Googled and found out that an MP said it and crowds have chanted it.
    So by your definition “Mayo for Sam” is official Irish government policy.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Their parliamentarians use it in parliament to celebrate events like the 7/Oct/23 attacks, they write it on floats for military parades, they use it to welcome their new presidents … and they manifest it in action by supporting groups like Hamas.

    Not sure what else you need.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,281 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Netanyahu isn't attacking Iran because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. That position is entirely disingenuous and you know it.

    Into the bargain, one can be against Iran's support of Russia and also against what Israel is doing.

    The only thing that is "clear cut" is that no matter what Israel does you'll support them, up to and including ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Wow - strawmanning and whataboutery.

    First of all, I never said that Netanyahu is attacking Iran because of Ukraine. It certainly would be disingenuous, if it were my position, but it's not.

    Secondly, it is indeed possible for two things to be true at the same time.

    You could think that Netanyahu is the most evil scumbag ever to exist in human history. Even then it would still be true IMO that Europe has a direct stake in this conflict and that anything that undermines any CRINK dictatorship is a service to the people of the world.

    The latter is something I thought would not be controversial.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,281 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Pfft…you asked "But are you disagreeing that Israel's actions in Iran are (among other things) making EUROPE (e.g. Ukraine) safer?" implying that Netanyahu's attack on Iran is, somehow beneficial to Europe because it will aid the Ukraine.

    There is no "strawmanning" and no "whataboutery". You made a disingenuous implication.

    Israel's "actions" in Iran doesn't make Europe any safer. In fact, it causes instability. Netanyahu's reckless decision to attack Iran now, right when they were in the middle of talks with the US about the possible reopening the JCPOA, results in more uncertainty for both Europe and the Middle East.

    If Iran were open to reigniting talks about giving up or limiting any pursuit of nuclear ambitions (which they were already complying with under the JCPOA until Trump ripped up the agreement), you can be sure that there are a lot of heads over there now saying that they should quicken their endeavours because of Israel's attack.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    More Israeli civilians killed off in missile attacks-

    As the IDF pilots come home after dropping bombs loads from thousands off safe feet up- it's to ring family to see who is living in the Israeli rubble-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    Where in Khameni's words do you see genocide against Israel or Jews? Zionism is a movement. Not all Jews are zionists and there are non jew zionists also which supports the idea. Notably majority of past and present US and Western administrations. Israeli governments have been good at twisting words of others to suit their agendas and to brain wash their people.

    According to Israel no one can have nukes in ME except them. One way or other they have fooled US and west into Iraq, Syria and Libya using same context of nukes and wmds and fooling people of those countries to think they will have democracy. Now they are doing same for Iran. After Iran i think Pakistan is next in the line. They already have nukes but one way or other one day we will hear Pakistan is planning genocide against zionists, jews, israelis what ever you fancy to call. Israel is not working nor cares about world peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, how about these comments from two Israeli ministers? There are plenty more so clearly Israeli policy.

    Warmongers and perpetrators of Genocide.


    Ben-Gvir:

    "It is very possible that even after the addition of the new prisons is completed, the many terrorists will still be overcrowded in prison. I have already proposed a much simpler solution, of enacting the death penalty for terrorists, which would solve the overcrowding issue - legislation to which the Shin Bet is also vehemently opposed."

    "Occupation, settlement, and encouragement of emigration. Only in this way can we solve the problem of Gaza. To occupy all the land. To settle in all the land. And of course, to encourage the voluntary emigration of as many [Palestinian] people as possible to other countries"

    "Why are there so many arrestees? Can't we kill some? Are you trying to tell me they all raise their hands? What can we do with so many arrestees. It's dangerous for the soldiers."

    "The only humane solution for Gaza is the mass deportation of its inhabitants."


    Smotrich:

    "Tulkarm and Jenin will look like Jabalia and Shujaiya. Nablus and Ramallah will look like Rafah and Khan Younis. They too will be uninhabitable ruins, their residents will be forced to migrate and seek a new life in other countries."

    "The time has come to completely stop the transfer of humanitarian aid to Hamas, to stop these entrances and exits at the risk of our soldiers, the time has come to occupy the Gaza Strip, to seize territory from them permanently as a response to the terrible massacre and to prevent the next massacre."

    "If we hadn't torn Gaza to pieces, no one would be talking right now about how we need to find another place for two million Gazans"

    "It is possible to create a situation where Gaza's population in two years will be less than half its current size."

    "We won't let them rebuild [Gaza] ... Nothing moves, and what moves - dies. That's all. And is attacked and annihilated."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Turns out all them “fancy” Russian next gen planes were vapourware



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Israel went from trying to get the Iranians to have a revolution to threatening them inside a few days

    Israel's defence minister has warned that Tehran's residents will "pay the price" for Iranian attacks on Israeli citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I see that Israel's concern for Iranian civilians lasted about 24 hours:

    BBC:
    Israel's defence minister has warned that Tehran's residents will "pay the price" for Iranian attacks on Israeli citizens after overnight strikes killed five people and injured dozens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    Where has he been last 2 years. He must think IDF is picking olives in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel calling out Iran's propaganda to justify the bombing of residential buildings. I wonder where they got that idea from, i am sure we have seen something very similar to this in the last couple of years ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What was it Netenyahu said to the citizens of Iran “our quarrel is not with you”.
    Now it’s “you will die!”

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The G7 are going to call for de escalation following the Israeli attack on Iran. But re iterate that “Israel has a right to defend itself”. Not a mention of Iran’s right to defend itself. They are expected to turn the other cheek.
    The west is morally bankrupt.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    He is such a scumbag and the Israeli population are equally complicit, nearly all of them support both this war and the endless murder of Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    De escalate as they refuse to acknowledge who the aggressor is and some of the G7 continue to provide the agressor with weapons and support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I think every time they chant "death to Israel" it's fairly clear cut what they mean and it doesn't just mean death to a Zionist Regime.

    To think otherwise is lunacy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” - Khamenei, 2001

    “Israel is a cancerous tumor that must be removed.” - Khamenei, 2000's

    Pakistan? They've had nuclear weapons since the 90's. Nothing will happen there.

    Israel is a small vulnerable nation historically surrounded by enemies which have made multiple attempts to wipe them out. Israel will never take risks in that regard, especially when they have the ability to do something about reducing or stopping those risks.

    Then we have the Iranian regime. Who have spent years firing missiles by proxy at their highly sensitive and nuclear armed neighbour, whilst developing a peaceful program that is showing signs to the contrary, whilst calling for the destruction of said neighbour. A neighbour which holds all the cards in the region. Who is highly pissed off recently.

    Poking the hornets nest doesn't even begin to cover it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭circadian


    I'd love to see the sauce for this because Dr David has absolutely zero issue with posting AI generated bullshit. It's such a ridiculous piece of video that there's a destroyer underneath the building, I'd swear it's satire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,547 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nonsense. Iran was not a threat to Europe. Apart from one transfer of missiles to Russia, Iran haven't really been that involved in the Ukraine attack

    What would be a big threat to Europe would be a complete destabilization of the middle east. Millions of refugees and the rise of extremists like what happened after the Iraq war and in Syria leading to Isis and waves of terrorist attacks across Europe.

    And the ultimate threat to Europe, a full scale global conflict involving the US, Russia and China which could dwarf anything that we've seen before is only made more likely by Israel's reckless belligerence in the region

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Nobody in the Middle East believes for a moment that Israel will ever be wiped out in a nuclear holocaust (for starters, such a multi nuclear strike would presumably kill all 5m Palestinians at the same time as well, either directly or through radiation sickness).

    The 'existential threat to our existence' thing has been trotted out by Zionists for decades to justify all sorts of outrages, war crimes and now genocide in Gaza.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,557 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    I don't think any of the nations around Israel would have a problem wiping out the Palestinians as an "regrettable loss"; they only care about them as far as a useful group against Israel (as shown by their refusal to consider taking in any refugees for decades). Having said that; the main reason there would never be a nuclear holocaust by a country is two fold; first of all Israeli subs (i.e. you nuke us, we nuke you principal) and b) USA revenge on the leaders and the pariah they would become even with Russia / China etc. The only way Israel would get nuked is some form of terrorist attack but nuclear weapons (despite all the movie fanfare) are not exactly small or easy to handle and hide as simply put a biological attack is faster, easier and cheaper. Nuclear weapons in the region is more for the "USA will not invade us" doctrine rather than offensive use.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Has Iran expressed an interest in taking over the sovereign territory of a European country by force. Did Iran commit to securing Greenland one way or another?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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