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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Brenda Power on radio saying that someone we have not heard of yet will probably win the election 😦 made the point that Adi Roche was favoured in 1997, before some obscure academic came along, and won



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Linda Martin, talking on the News at One on radio, saying a party had approached her and she is 'mulling it over'.
    Not sure when the clip dates from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It is likely someone like the Party for Animal Welfare with no ability to nominate anyw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Actually, when you mention the 'party' I remember it now. Think it was said on Liveline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,791 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    To be fair, in 1997 she probably had a lower profile than Adi Roche did. For most of the 1990s she was an academic in QUB, and outside her academic role she was primarily noted for her involvement in interreligious dialogue, which is a bit niche. She had been better known in the 1980s, when she had some profile for her journalistic work, but that was long gone by 1997.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Barry Andrews says he won't run and he explains why in the Indo.

    He doesn't mention the basic reason - any FF candidate is on a hiding to nothing - which is why FF faces a crisis. But he does make a key point that I have been making here, in less diplomatic terms, for the past six months i.e. that Michael D.

    has been afforded arguably a large degree of latitude by the elected governments of the day, who have taken a flexible approach to his criticism of government policy. His approach might be popular at times, and some of his pointed statements I would personally agree with, but the question remains whether such statements should come from that office? Such an approach might become problematic, in hindsight, if a president of a more extreme stripe is elected.

    Or, to put it bluntly, we could have a constitutional crisis if the next President takes Michael D's approach but without his keen sense of the public mood i.e. if he lambastes the Government willy-nilly and runs a separate foreign policy. On the latter point, Barry Andrews notes that

    Ireland will hold the presidency of the EU Council for six months from July 1, 2026, and the President must, in my view, reflect a national ambition to be at the heart of the European project.

    Or, to put that bluntly, no more swipes at NATO from the Aras.

    Andrews is also correct to say that the next President should capture the public mood as the previous incumbents did.

    In 1990, Robinson perfectly reflected the changing attitudes in Ireland towards equality for women. In 1997, McAleese embodied the hope for peace on the island. President Higgins channelled the public exhaustion with austerity.

    But he has no clear idea about the current public mood. I don't believe the Irish people will go for Conor McGregor or his ilk even if they manage to be nominated but I do think people want someone who is above party politics and who embodies some ideal.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/barry-andrews-what-we-need-from-the-next-president-and-why-i-wont-be-running-for-the-aras/a1075292156.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    FFG to have an agreed candidate-

    Hopefully about 5 independent candidates -

    Gerry Adams-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No - FG have decided to go solo although FF wanted a joint candidate.

    Surprising considering FG's disastrous history with Presidential elections. FG may hope to top the poll on the first count with >15% of the vote if there are a half-dozen Independents but FG haven't learned the lessons of the 2024 elections - i.e. their worst-ever outings partly because they are no longer transfer-friendly (nor are the other two large parties, weird eh?). I can see the leading Independent overtaking the FG candidate in the later counts. I don't see a single Left candidate emerging although Ivana is working overtime to make that happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Andrews would have stood a chance in Dev's era. I don't think the Irish electorate want a President in that mould. The days of curtailing free speech are over too.
    The old mould has been broken and not before time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Interesting- although I still think there will be an agreed FFG candidate-

    Don't mind if a left wing candidate is the next Irish president- but hope about 5 independent right wingers run ( or try to run to cancel each other out-

    Labour this time again- just don't see it-

    Hope it is a good election where everyone can point on their way forward-

    Would hate to see a big mouth anti everything run which will spoil debates etc- and we have had some great presidential debates in the past-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I can't see how more than 1 right winger independent runs though, unless the parties lose control over their councillors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The mould is broken alright but the Constitution hasn’t changed.

    The President can only act on the Government’s say-so (with only a couple of minor exceptions). Do we what someone in the Aras berating the Government but acting on their every instruction? Do we want someone writing love letters to dictators from the Aras? Opening a flower show with denunciations of various enemies?

    All the candidates, even FG’s, will distance themselves from this unpopular government.

    It will end in a crisis that will serve no one except those who wish us ill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The electorate knew what Higgins had done re: Castro etc and still re-elected him with a big majority.

    This is a republic, the tail does not shake the dog.

    The electorate have broken the tired and stale 'mould'.
    It's up to the government to accommodate what they want from their president. Not the other way around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Michael D. behaved very differently in his first term and gave FG/FF no reason not to support his re-election. Castro's death did force him to show his true colors for a brief moment in 2016 but most people misunderstood that as a momentary aberration when it was actually a moment of truth. Once he was re-elected, he systematically abandoned constitutional restraint. FG and FF would not support him now if he could seek a third term.

    It's up to the government to accommodate what they want from their president. Not the other way around.

    That's garbled but if you mean that the government should accommodate the President, you are repeating the Blueshirts' fantasy that Dev. would become a Mussolini in the Aras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are in complete revisionism overdrive now.
    The free speech merchants raised an awful fuss over the Castro remarks, at the time, review the newspapers and even on here to see that.
    There was a heated debate about it.
    The electorate made their views known and re-elected him.

    He hasn't infringed his constitutional duties, this is also a fabrication. He has been accused of it, but that is not the same thing.

    The people are sovereign, they have the final say, not a government, not a political party and not a politician.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Read what I wrote and don't be going into instant revisionism. I never suggested there was no debate at the time (or even at the time). Quite the opposite. My point was that

    most people misunderstood [the Castro statement] as a momentary aberration when it was actually a moment of truth.

    When re-election came around two years later, Michael D. was mighty careful not to mention Castro or Cuba or Iran or any other controversial views. It would be absurd to think he won a mandate for his later carry on e.g. with Iran or European defence.

    He has infringed the constitution by challenging government policies and running his own foreign policy. The Constitution makes clear that his powers and prerogatives can only be exercised on the say-so of the Government.

    Or perhaps you think the President should be a futile wind-bag up in the Aras, issuing fatuous declarations while rubber-stamping everything the Government puts in front of him and misleading other nations about ireland's foreign policy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are now spokesperson for the people? 😁

    The people spoke Caquas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I never suggested Michael D wasn’t re-elected. So was Trump. I say the Irish people were misled into thinking Michael D. would continue to behave as he did in his first term i.e. that the Castro statement was an aberration. You keep dodging the issue.

    And he is promising more pontificating before he’s done Bear in mind the very special meaning he attaches to the world word democracy he thinks it include Cuba so that’s what he means by democracy under threat tonight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I never suggested Michael D wasn’t re-elected. So was Trump.

    I say the Irish people were misled into thinking Michael D. would continue to behave as he did in his first term i.e. that the Castro statement was an aberration. You keep dodging the issue. 

    And he is promising more pontificating before he’s done.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/06/15/president-higgins-has-no-intention-of-remaining-silent-while-democracy-under-threat/

    Bear in mind the very special meaning he attaches to the world 'democracy" which he thinks includes Cuba, Vietnam and Iran - so that’s what he means when he says democracy is under threat tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You call it ‘pontificating’ others call it speaking out on behalf of people under attack and oppression.


    You don’t like him, that does not mean very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I call it pontificating when somebody preaches one thing and does another - such as the President criticising the government then doing what the government tells him to do (because that is what the constitution requires him to do). Or proclaiming a foreign policy which is not Ireland’s foreign policy

    His predecessors, including those like Mary Robinson who pushed the limits of the office, understood this constitutional requirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Here's what the constitution says about the role of president.

    7     1° The President may, after consultation with the Council of State, communicate with the Houses of the Oireachtas by message or address on any matter of national or public importance.

    2° The President may, after consultation with the Council of State, address a message to the Nation at any time on any such matter.

    3° Every such message or address must, however, have received the approval of the Government.

    It doesn't say that him speaking out is explicitly prohibited without government approval. It says he can address the nation with approval or speak to the houses with approval. It doesn't say that's all he can do though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Barry Andrews, a complete waste of space

    A potential presidential candidate only in his own mind!

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The "unpopular government" that won re-election only a few months ago.

    So not as unpopular as the opposition then.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Do you understand the difference between an 'opinion' and a 'foreign policy'?



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