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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Heard that all about Afghanistan-

    Did not stop the American / brit running like the hare to escape the Taliban fox-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 260 ✭✭tarvis


    only when it occurs day and night for more than 18 months will Israel be getting a taste of its own medicine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    Slightly disturbing the number of people overjoyed that more innocent civilians are being massacred, and let's be real, each innocent life lost is an atrocity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Very disturbing, amazing what some people will see as acceptable when they feel they are on the right side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    It's strange that people can be so dismissive of the deaths of others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mountain


    45,000 killed in Gaza, 80-90% flattened and still Israel continues,

    This from the BBC, suggests that Israeli lives are much more important.

    • Israeli families are returning to collect belongings from the remains of their homes destroyed by an Iranian strike in Rishon LeZion, near Tel Aviv, our correspondent reports”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    They have flattened Gaza, they have killed thousands brutally and indiscriminately and after almost 2 years hamas is still going around waving their ak47s . Do you really think they will achieve anything against Iran? What bibi will do is to drag US into this and Trump being Trump will fall for it. If not bibi will use his nukes because Israel is the only nation in the world right now that will not care for the consequences of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Precisely. The amount of mental gymnastics and whataboutery some have to do to make the Ayatollah's regime look like the good guys in all of this is incredible!

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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭jackboy


    They will need regime change in Iran, nothing less will stop Iran trying for a nuke. Not easy to achieve but I would not rule it out. Hamas are just ruling ashes at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭circadian


    I don't really see it beyond a few troll posts. Most people are clearly of the view that the Iranian regime are horrendous while also taking into account the Israeli behaviour in Gaza and what is quite obviously a cynical attack on Iran to keep Netanyahu out of political trouble.

    Go ahead and keep parroting right wing media on this but the reality is most people can understand the nuance.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Of course. The western press is complicit. Describing the Israeli attack on Iran as “preemptive”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Have you read the thread on here about what Israel are doing in Gaza?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    One thing about this that I don't get though. There doesn't seem to be any tangible strategic benefit to Iran in dropping a nuke on Israel. This means dropping a nuke on, utterly destroying and irradiating land which is not only sacred in the Muslim faith but also actually contains Muslim people. It's also difficult to see how Iran nukes Israel in any way that doesn't also put neighbouring Muslim countries at risk.

    That's before we even get to the fact that the launch of nuclear weapons by Iran against Israel would effectively be the end of Iran as they would be utterly destroyed in retaliatory action.

    I mean, I'm not saying that Iran's development of nuclear weapons isn't a threat, but nuclear strikes against Israel seem to present more problems than solutions to Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    I'm reading a few threads on it, it's horrifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    If you have read them, you will not be surprised there are people on here so dismissive of the deaths of others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 260 ✭✭tarvis


    I take no joy in the deaths of anyone anywhere. I was watching the news today and listened to an Israeli who was upset by destroyed property and upset lives. I could not help but wonder how Israelis would feel if they lived under air attack like last night for 20 months -and ongoing - did last nights attack give any of them pause for thought about Gazan lives and Gazan property?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    More disingenuous nonsense. No jewish kids were killed last night by Iran. I’m against harm coming against any Jewish people, I care about civilians all the same no matter what/where they’re from.

    My post is directed at those who have turned a blind eye, made every excuse under the sun to defend Israel and ignore the horrors and war crimes they’ve committed daily for over a year a half and now they’re acting horrified because a couple of missiles landed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    I disagree with it being disingenuous, allow me to phrase it differently, how many lives would you like to see if Israeli civilians before you feel that it isn't pearl clutching and excessive. Bearing in mind that any life lost has dreams and aspirations and more than likely isn't making the decisions that are taking these lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Noworries!


    The loss of life is horrific, and there seems to be no resolution that's realistic for both Palestinians and Israeli people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Many analysts have suggested that even if Iran was building a nuclear weapon, the real reason would be for leverage in the region and primarily self defence and certainly not with the intention to drop one on Israel. Would the terrorist state be so gung ho about bombing Tehran if they knew Iran already had nuclear weapons?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭orourkeda1


    No. I hate to put it this crudely but it would level up the playing field in a way.

    https://www.orourkeda.blog



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    And one suspects this is the real reason that Israel doesn't want any of its neighbours to have nuclear weapons. They want to be top dog in the region, the schoolyard bully and they don't believe the 'existential threat' guff for a moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Infini


    To be honest the Palestinian side is controlled by Hamas a Jihadist group that espouses total destruction of Israel and the Israeli people and on the other side is Bibi and his regressive right government and their settler friends who absolutely give no fúcks about the Palestinians caught in the middle. The only realistic option given the historical enmity would be to separate the 2 sides entirely but Israel isn't going to move and the Palestinians have nowhere they can go either, other countries will not take them in large numbers for various historical and other reasons and the only other idea was Trump talking out of his hole about moving them to Libya, a country that's been a mess since Ghaddafi ended up getting receiving the metal pole of consequences and is obviously a non runner either. The 2 state solution is likely dead in the water as well and there's no political capital or will either right now.

    As for Iran, the likes of the Ayatollah and friends getting their shít slapped in would likely be a welcome development because let's face it the Iranian people would more than likely be better off without them after nearly 50 years of their bullshit. They're the ones that pushed and helped Hamas plan for 7/10 likely at the urging of Vatnik Russia as well to create a distraction for the US from Ukraine who was slapping the shít out of them. Of course that's ended up backfiring spectacularly over the last 2 years when you think about it, the Israeli's ended up pounding Hamas into the dirt (which unfortunately means innocent Palestinians get caught in the crossfire and killed as well), basically Neutered Hezbollah in Lebanon with Operation Grim Beeper who's collapse ultimately led to Assad getting run out of Syria. Now Israel has decided they've had enough of the Ayatollah and friends and decided to deal with them decisively and of course Vatnik Russia ain't gonna help, they're like bye and thanks for all the shaheds as they ain't in any shape to do anything considering Ukraine has them by the fúcking throat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Also important to note which Nuclear armed power has repeatedly played brinkmanship with threats of nuclear strikes. In 1967 Israel planned a nuclear "demonstration" in the Sinai if their preemptive strike on the air fields failed. In 1973, Golda Meir authorised release of 13 warheads against Arab targets unless USA urgently resupplied Israeli weapons & equipment.

    On top of that, there is widespread belief that Israel would initiate the "Samson option" should they be on brink of defeat.

    Seymour Hersh's book on the topic is also worth a read IMO. His last real quality journalism before he went dolally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,548 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Of course it is. A nuclear deterrent would mean Israel cannot just attack their neighbors with impunity

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Israeli IDF bombing from thousands off feet up in the air might think they are safe-

    But their families in Israel are not safe from Iranian retaliation-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,394 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's clearly the biggest attraction of having nuclear weapons. It's been a big factor in helping ensure the future of North Korea as a state, I believe, though obviously the emergence of Trump with his admiration of dictators cannot be discounted in that regard, either.

    This is information that countries keep close to their chest, but I see no indication that Iran would have enough nuclear material to come even close to matching Israel's stockpile in the near future. Therefore, any nukes they manage to build would be all about encouraging negotiation rather than threatening Israel directly. Not even the hardest of the hardline Iranian ayatollahs are in a hurry to bring armageddon down around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭circadian


    Israel once again showing some stunning accuracy taking out many high ranking officials in Iran. Combined with the pager bombs, they clearly have the know how for precision strikes.

    I wonder why Hamas are so difficult in comparison, it's not like they're 1000km and several countries away.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Eh because they don't want to hit Hamas, they want to kill Palestinians, Hamas is just a bonus



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