Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

The U.S. military can detain trespassers on military installations under very specific U.S. codes, where they can either escort the person off the base or hand them over to the civil authorities. A post office, a courthouse or numerous other federal buildings are not military installations and them doing so in such cases is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. Neither is Homeland Security a civil authority to hand someone over too which according to another poster here is what they did with that civilian in LA

Both Trump and the military have been playing fast and very loose with those U.S. codes as regards military instalations. In March the military announced that troops on the Mexico - New Mexico border would have "enhanced authorities" because they are on land now designated part of Fort Hauchuca Arizona - a military installation located more than a 100 miles away.

Would you be happy to see them do the same by using some of that tape they used in that buildings`s garden to surround LA and designate the city as part of a some military base.

A military officer guarding a federal building is not operating or interfering with civilian law and order. They are not operating as civilian law officers, it is not a breach of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The rules or regulations they operate under may be different on military bases, but afaik, the US constitution still applies on military bases on US soil. Outside a federal building or on a military base, in both situations they are not acting as civilian law enforcement.

I'm not happy with the situation at all and I certainly don't agree with the national guard and Marines being called up without the governor requesting it. I'm simply pointing out that they are well within the law and constitution to detain civilians who trespass onto federal property when it's closed off.

Even more so when actual officials are dragging people off the street and driving them away.

A quote from Walz only yesterday: "The road to authoritarianism is littered with people telling you you're overreacting."

Ah come on, do you really believe that someone with his background (ex-army, with citizenship gained through service - something Trump would presumably not be a fan of) happened to just take a 'short-cut' in the current climate by crossing through tapes and going off-path, and then happens to not hear several marines shouting at him to stop?! And on top of all that, you believe that if it was a stunt of sorts, albeit with good motivation, that the guy in question is going to admit this in an interview or mouth off about Trump or his immigration policies?!!

It's just a coincidence that the man is having a military parade outside of his official home, while unrest is appearing outside of many other peoples homes. While the same Military are now threatening to arrest people in those homes. While other international matters will take attention away from domestic matters.

How long before a state of national emergency is declared? Will anyone care by that point?

Make everything seem normal and nothing will ever seem abnormal again

Your really clutching at straw if you are citing the Pullman strike of 1894 as justification for marines detaining civilians in LA under U.S. Codes relating to military installations where even if the do must either escort them off the base or hand them over to the civilian authorities. In LA they failed to do even that by handing the civilian they detained over to Homeland Security.

Cleveland dispatched federal troops in 1894 on the basis of laws related to interstate commerce, not because like Trump he didn`t like the Governor of California. Johnson may not have like Wallace the Governor aof Alabama, but he didn`t send the marines to Alabama in 1965. He sent the National Guard and evoked the Insurecction Act in doing so on the basis that not only had peaceful protester been attacked by Wallace`s goons, both uniformed and not, Wallace had refused to recognise the Civil Rights Bill but had also refused to recognise Supreme Court rulings.

Are you seriously suggesting that any and all federal building can be classified as military installations, because it does sound as if you are and if so then I take it you do not believe that Trump and the military hierarchy have not been playing very fast and loose when attaching lands on the Mexico - New Mexico to a military over a 100 miles away in Arizona as a means of getting around the Posse Comitatus Act. An Act which interestingly came about in response to the abuses of the army in civil law enforcement and pre-dates the Pullman Strikes.

Edit. Still waiting on your views as to the politicising of serving military personnel prior to and during Trump`s speech in Fort Bragg.

I remember when the US could project (at least) a facade of decency in how the place is run.

Just in the last 24 hours it has slipped away. For real… ignore the last 12 years. In 24 hours a new narrative has been created and pre-emptively accepted by people

I don't believe for a second that this was a "coincidence" and, frankly, I don't believe that you do either.