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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I do I just missed the statement you are trying to push through.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, due to their history and other factors they don't want to take the risk - they've hit Syrian programs multiple times

    Even the most ardent critic of Israel can't say with a straight face that Hezbollah or the Houthis or Hamas, if handed a biological or chemical (or worse) weapon, wouldn't use it on the Israeli populace.

    It's Israeli doctrine, fair or unfair, and has been for a very long time. Every one knows the score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭bunderoon


    Its why we had/have the axis of evil (de-stable / incapacitate) campaign and Arab spring etc. It was to weaken those countries so Israel could then attack. Same with Iran, isolate them for 10-20 years and then attack them. They are the last on that axis, which is why we are seeing what we are seeing now. Bibi has spoken about this loads of times since the late 80s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭mountain


    and that Israel is basically run by hardline far right zionists also plays a part



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭TokTik


    israel shouldn’t be using civilians as human shields.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Lebanon; Hezbollah, Iranian Mullahs export version

    Syria: ditto

    Gaza: Sunni Muslims backed by Iran. (Hamas must be really desperate to take there money because there problems are a long way from over if Israel is ever destroyed)

    Houthis; backed by Iran

    Iran.

    Can you see a common thread here.

    This is a religious conflict which commenced with the Iranian revolution.

    The Mullahs are a stain on a proud Persian Culture. People can see past their non existent women/gay rights, absence of religious freedom etc etc all because of their hatred of Israel. Problem manage to see past Iranian military hardware in Ukraine as well.

    Mainly by people on the left who lose their sh1te when Christian culture differs from their view on such topics.

    Modern day politics is like following a football team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Maybe this approach might work or maybe Iran will be thinking that this attack is proof that building at atom bomb is the only way of keeping Israel from attacking in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    If they were, I'm struggling to understand what this has to do with your apparent enjoyment of the death of innocent civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Iran can not protect its civilians-

    Israel can not protect its civilians-

    It's taking Homelander a while to work this out-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Israel has been killing Palestinians a long time before the Iranian revolution-

    It's very odd that ones like U need to dream up an excuse for IDF murder of civilians-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Perhaps or perhaps weaponising the nuclear program is pretty much a guarantee that Israel attacks that program, the same way they did with Syria and Iraq.

    Israel has the bomb, Iran doesn't - it's not "fair" as such but that's reality. Everyone knows this, including Iran. They could argue they have a right to weaponise but considering their stance toward Israel - it's not going to happen on Israel's watch.

    Iran always has the option to come in from the cold, take baby steps towards forging ties with Israel, stop endlessly attacking it via proxies. Saudi has shown that Israel that this sort of path is gradually possible. But the regime in Tehran don't seem keen on that path, on the contrary.

    Everyone knows the situation, everyone knows the game, everyone knows Israel's doctrine. The regime in Iran seem intent on sticking their arm in the cage and then blaming the tiger, and then call it unfair - as if it were going to be any other way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Iran will never be able to build one, it's being watched closely, because...

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Is there any solid evidence that is intent on building a bomb. Are some posters just content to parrot Israeli propaganda ?

    Bibi has been telling us that Iran was close to building a bomb for the last 30 years. I am not going to believe a serial liar that is wanted for war crimes. This all has the whiff of the WMD canard; all if and buts / conjecture. We heard similiar themes back then about lack of compliance, efforts to hide material. I recall we even had exclusive articles from the Sunday Telegraph detailing where the WMD were hidden. Yet the assessment from US intelligence is that they don't believe Iran has made the decision to build a bomb. They also mentioned in a recent assessment that the Ayatollah declared publicily that it was forbidden

    If Israel, who we know do have nuclear weapons, was attacked the same posters wouldn't be framing the strikes as fair game. We also wouldn't see the media just parroting the IDF line that it was all preemptive self defense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, that's true. The decision to seize the moment was probably made before or after the fall of Assad. The irony is though Israel has been quite happy to use islamists to further its policies over the years. You might remember Shamir facilitating the rise of Hamas back in the 80s to weaken the PA

    So the Israeli right might miss the Iranian regime longer term if it falls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Atomic weapons also provide cover for aggression, as Russia understands with its genocidal war on Ukraine (which BTW the Iranian government is supporting) - no doubt world reaction has been much more muted because of Russia's nukes. This is likely a part of the Ayatollahs' reasoning "if we have nukes, we can get away with a lot more aggression and s*** stirring."

    I'm sure you have a reason why Iran is building huge stockpiles of highly enriched uranium - far beyond any possible civilian use - and lying to the IAEA about it?

    https://u24.gov.ua/
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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    So, Jews being terrorised and killed make you happy? Noted.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I wouldn't believe anything from Netanyahu.

    I would pay attention to what the IAEA says though and they have reason to at least consider Iran is heading towards nuclear weapons.

    It can't be waved away as purely Israeli propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    Hamas are a relatively new organisation in the Palestine/Israel conflict and came about as a reaction to the treatment of Palestinians by Israel. People go on like they emerged from the ether and just started firing rockets for the craic.

    Just like the IRA or any other reactionary body, they came about from what they felt was necessity and frustration from the way their people were treated.

    How about Israel start treating others like people, not subhuman or animals as they've been describing them. Maybe Hamas go away from lack of support for the negative implications they bring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Looks like Iran's economy/ energy structure could be targeted next

    "Israel reportedly strikes Iranian gas field, oil refinery

    Fire broke out at the South Pars gas field in Iran's southern Bushehr region on Saturday, Iranian media said amid reported Israeli strikes in the area.

    Piles of smoke were also seen on Saturday in Iran's oil refinery in Abadan, off the coast of the Persian Gulf, amid reported strikes by the IDF."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Israel want a world energy war then which will likely bring the US directly into the conflict



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    1. The IRA never sought the complete destruction of Britain, the troubles were only ever a dispute about the 6 counties. Hamas want Israel to be destroyed completely, and they're willing to go much further than any of the paramilitaries ever did in furtherance of that goal.
    2. Do you think the Ayatollahs of Iran and the (relatively small, I think) portion of the people who support them with chants of "Death to Israel" care about Israel's policies towards Palestinians or which party is in power in the Knesset? Or do you think that "Death to Israel" (a common chant among supporters of that regime) means exactly what it says?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If Israel want to stop Iran getting a Nuke, realistically they will need regime change to achieve that. This means an open ended bombing campaign to destroy Irans military and economy. That could take weeks or months.

    Irans ability to respond at all would deplete very fast and their remaining leadership will resort to hiding in holes. Of course it would take mountains of ammo from the US to keep bombing Iran for a long period of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭CFlat


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/thousands-of-israeli-nationalists-chant-death-to-arabs-during-annual-procession-through-jerusalem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    "Of course it would take mountains of ammo from the US to keep bombing Iran for a long period of time."

    with trump in power that shouldnt be a problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    The people of the North weren't heemed into a concentration camp, denied the ability to move, denied basic food and services. Denied any possibility to create an economy.

    Gaza is a far more extreme environment and that breeds a more extreme reaction.

    You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that Israel has openly stated they wished to destroy Gaza and also control the course of the Iranians. No fan of the regime there but Israel is no different than Putins Russia. Probably worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    another top iranian official removed:

    Top adviser to supreme leader dies in hospital following Israeli attack

    Ali Shamkhani, Iran’s top adviser to its supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has died in the hospital a day after Israel launched airstrikes across the country, Iranian media reports.

    Shamkhani had previously served as Iran’s top national security official for a decade and had represented Iran in the China-facilitated rapprochement talks with Saudi Arabia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭bunderoon


    Hugely. The amount of people in Israel celebrating the genocide in Gaza is frightening. As for Iran wanting the bomb, all they have to do is look at the countries who didn't have one - they get invaded and massacred. Like the countries that do have the bomb, its a great deterrent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭CFlat


    Interesting that Israel allowing the press into Tel Aviv, but not allowed into Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Israel not shooting at the press in Israel-

    One law for Israel- another for GAZA-



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