Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

You couldn't make it up ….. almost a full year and they're still sitting on their backsides.

https://forsatradeunion.newsweaver.com/designtest/1194vtwek6b?lang=en&a=1&p=65567038&t=30063856#:~:text=F%C3%B3rsa%20pushes%20for%20local%20bargaining%20negotiations%20to%20begin&text=On%20Monday%2019th%20May%2C%20deputy,on%20local%20bargaining%20to%20begin.

Surprised at the inclusion of the Engineer grades. They always seemed quite niche. Even slightly odder to see the Engineer Grade 1 included.

1% increase in August, local bargaining in Sept and then two 1% increases next year.

Then back to negotiations

Engineering grades are increasingly used for IT staff, and are well below market rate - if I was making a decision on where to put increases it would be Engineering grades and COs; but I'm clearly not!

where did they agree to the 1% in september? the local bargaining agreement has a scope of 3% over the course of the current building momentum. the two 1% increases next year aren't because of local bargaining

The 3% local bargaining is 1% in this deal and 2% the next deal isn't it? Its not all in the current building momentum

The above may be what you mean.

where did the unions say the negotiated anything so far?

i think i was just very confused. still frustrating about the local bargaining

I don't see that as a problem. If you've been overpaid there is always an expectation to pay that back.

Sorry but they'd easily do it to anyone else and argue it's to safeguard taxpayer's money. Don't see why it's any different.

Just another distraction form local bargaining talks

The level of service provided by the NSSO is abysmal in general but this is a new low.

If it was any other group of pensioners who were overpaid something though, (let's say fuel allowance) the politicians would all be talking about a "compassionate" and "sensitive" approach, etc etc and the opposition would be calling for it to be written off

Chambers is just short of saying "they're civil servants, fúck 'em!"

Sigh. Let me be the only person to interject and correct you. Once again.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social-welfare/irish-social-welfare-system/claiming-a-social-welfare-payment/social-welfare-overpayments/

An Overpayment can happen when you get an extra payment of an allowance, pension or any other benefit from the Department of Social Protection and you are not entitled to it.

If you have been overpaid, the Department will inform you of:

The reason(s) for the overpayment

The amount involved

And

The way the Department proposes to get back the amount that has been overpaid.

Yes it does.

Your post suggests the involvement of the politicians including the Opposition and you're implying that civil servants are being unfairly targeted.

My post has corrected you and showed you there is already an established, published and precedent procedure in place that does not involve politicians and which applies to groups that are not civil servants or ex civil servants; thereby clearly dismantling whatever spin you were trying to put out.

You're welcome. I would hate to see anyone misled by your misinformation. I'm sure you feel the same, deep down.

An expectation but how far back does it go? If you've been under paying taxes by incorrectly claiming an allowance you were not entitled to I believe the onus to pay it back doesn't go further than 6 years.

There's also a reasonable expectation that the state should have gotten it right first and that the ship has now sailed in terms of recouping it.