Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

And yet no money for local schools and children still without places for this coming September. At this stage, I can only conclude that people within the various government departments are completely asleep to the issues facing the country and/or we are totally at the mercy of the EU and we must do whatever they dictate and neither Martin or Harris are really in control, just the public face or fall guys depending on your interpretation.

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The very features that enable modern tourism also enable the movement of immigrants.

The availability and pricing of air fares being one.

The modern world makes somethings a lot easier than even just 10 years ago let alone 20 years.

For example 20 years making a phone call from Nigeria just after arriving might have been tough but now its as simple as taking your mobile phone from your pocket that you brought with you and using it.

Maybe you might even call RTE radio.

Well — how do you go on holiday abroad? You rely on a myriad of laws, regulations and technology that allow you to travel with a relative degree of ease. There is a level of global openness that allows you to do it, and that openness also allows for migration — both legal and illegal. It's not that tourists and migrants are the same thing (obviously), but generally speaking the things that make international tourism easier are also the things that make migration easier.

And to be honest with you, I'd totally disagree that there isn't a correlation between tourism and migration. Global tourism is far easier and more prevalent than it was 50 years ago, and ditto for global migration, and in both cases that's because travelling globally is safer and easier than ever before. If you remove the things that make tourism easier, I don't think there's any good argument that this wouldn't also have a suppressive effect on immigration too — so there is a correlation.

It doesn't get talked about much though, because people get uncomfortable at the idea that the tackling of migration should in any way reduce their own freedoms to move around the world for business or leisure.

Well, I think that's what you want me to be implying so that it's easier to dismiss my views and to avoid any self-assessment of the fact that the things you demand and avail of are the things which actually facilitate immigration. But that's not what I'm implying, there is absolutely nothing wrong or invariably hypocritical about opposing levels of immigration while also wanting to go on holiday. What is hypocritical, or at least short-sighted, is pointing the finger of blame squarely at the usual targets on here (Lefties, NGOs, Roderic's tweets, the apparently Ireland-hating government) for immigration without any admission of one's own complicity. This thread is full of comments pointing fingers, and humility as regards the ways we all participate in and demand the global travel system is not seemingly in vogue here.

There is nothing wrong generally with tourism, but if you accept that it's a good thing that hundreds of millions of Europeans alone for example can scoot about the world with relative ease, you don't get to blame Lefties or whatever other scapegoat for the fact that it's not easy to perfectly screen, filter and tailor all this human movement in ways that can't ever have negative outcomes. That doesnt mean you can't be opposed to immigration levels, it just means that a little bit of humility is called for.

It's a completely reasonable correlation in the minds of those that will defend this like their lives depended on it. Not so much for anybody who is capable of dealing with reality

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Yes, and Righties are on constantly crying and moaning about immigration and "open borders" despite time and time again demonstrating that they actually like relatively open borders themselves. They moan about open borders, but do absolutely nothing about the fact that the main facilitator of migrants being able to get about is the general freedom of global movement and safe travel. Instead, they focus intensely on "after-the-fact" measures as solutions — deportations etc — entirely ignoring the fact that the central solution lies in preventing unwanted migrants from ever getting here in the first place.

Covid based travel restrictions, and the reaction of the Right to those, were pretty much the proof of all this. When given the greatest weapon against migration in recent history and the actual proper implementation of proper anti-open border policy in the form of travel restrictions — they did nothing but cry about that too.

The immigration policy of the Right summed up: Say you hate open borders, do f**k all about them, continue to benefit from them — and don't forget to blame the Left for it all while you're at it.

Is it a serious suggestion that in order to keep immigration levels under control that no one should be allowed out? Funny how Australians still manage to leave their country for holidays and have strict incoming immigration policies

In fact many countries have borders and visa checks for incoming visitors. Yet I don’t think all of those are locked down for citizens to exit

This is a mad idea but how about limiting entry to those with valid travel documents from approved countries/regions.

We could call them passports or visas!

A few years ago the football pitch in Alfie Byrne park was a mess, not helped by a half marathon starting and finishing there after a week of rain in November. The club who use that pitch had been seeking 30-40k to fix the drainage on that pitch for some time. They were told no money was available.

Around the same time a considerable sum was spent on the ESB building nearby to house 400-500 asylum seekers"

"Keti said that the family were being targeted by organised criminals in Georgia on a discriminatory basis and it will not be safe for them to return.

“Our family has been threatened, and my father has been attacked as a result since the deportation order was made in March, so we appealed the decision on that basis. I do not believe it will be safe for my son,” she said."

Surely organised crime doesn't respect borders, if some sort of criminal organisation is so determined to get you that they'll attack your Father years after you've left the country then why would moving to a country fairly close to Georgia with a good amount of Georgian diaspora be safe. Isn't it amazing how something always happens post deportation order to make the order appealable?

So the Georgians also want back.

It's a lot of baloney just like the Nigerian situation.

They have a functioning police force and security apparatus.

Most likely targeted by organised crime because one of them was/is part of it.