Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

In the specific case, Yes. The post didn't talk to a specific case though so not sure what your point is

Your comment is on why someone would choose to come here, not how many we should accept. Let me see, I have a young family who I see no future for, will I opt to go to Ireland or the Congo

I remember coming home from a trip to Cape Town before.

On the plane, the map shows you where you are etc. We flew over Nigeria. I remember thinking how far it was from little old Ireland, and also the size of the country.

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There's also a distinct level of arrogance as to the reality that migration is caused by and / or made easier by the things which pretty much everyone wants. People want foreign holidays, easy transit, safe routes, fast travel, opportunities to live and move abroad, instant communication, trade with the world, the energy resources of the world, the medical ingredients of the world, labour gaps filled, premises staffed, human rights, habeus corpus, due process — and to be treated with empathy by the authorities of other countries and not be subject to prejudice and mistreatment.

People want all these things — and then will somehow try to claim that migration is something imposed on them by governments, lefties, NGOs or whoever else. In other words: "I want less migration but I still want all the things that make migration easier because I want to enjoy the comforts and freedom of movement that these things allow but I also somehow want Lefties to carefully tailor the world so that only a select billion or so people enjoy these things and the remaining several billions are carefully and precisely excluded — and if they fail it's because they're woke and have less common sense than me."

It will always be someone else's fault and it will always be people claiming that they didn't ask for migration despite asking for everything that makes migration take place.

Speaking specifically on Nigeria, you do understand the sectarian picture in many parts of the country make 1970s Belfast seem like Utopia dont you. And in many states whether you get any opportunities depends on tribe, religion or in many cases both. This can make moving within the country perilous for some. And I understand you will say that is their problem not ours which is an understandable viewpoint but it does not change the fact that for some individuals the rational decision is to try to move to Europe. So by all means blame the system, but do you honestly believe a person would move their family thousands of miles on a whim when they have viable opportunities locally.

It is something people in the west will have to come to grips with. Closing the borders wont stop people trying to migrate. If we just pull up the drawbridge the problem will remain. The only way to turn off the tap if thats what we want is to invest locally in those countries. It most cases the push factor is far more influential on people decision to migrate rather than the pull. It is impossible to eliminate the human instinct to look for a better life for themselves and their families

I've read many counter points on various threads, but 'I want an annual holiday so therefore I must accept uncontrolled immigration and not question bad policy' is a ridiculous counter argument.

When I go away, I book flights with legitimate companies, use legitimate travel documents, follow local rules, and pay my own way. To equate that as being a trade off for accepting people being trafficked in and circumventing the proper channels is quite the stretch.

No one has asked for "uncontrolled immigration".

No one has asked for anyone to accept "uncontrolled immigration".

I have very very clearly and called for government policy to be properly implemented in relation to immigration. I have stated I am unhappy with the governments performance in this area.

Yet time after time this old strawman is trotted out when posters cant actual deal with the facts contained in a post.

I read and reread before I replied, and have since reread again. Now maybe I've missed something and its gone way over my head, but neither of your takes is what I'm getting from it.

So no mention of a job at all.... unsurprising

Here is a factsheet about the 24hr process (in French):

https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/sem/fr/data/asyl/verfahren/fs-24h-verfahren-entlastung-asylsystem.pdf.download.pdf/fs-24h-verfahren-entlastung-asylsystem-f.pdf

It applies to four countries in north Africa.

It's frustrating when people claim I said things that I didn't.

The point is that if you want all the things I mentioned in my previous post which are to your benefit, you can't entirely shirk your own responsibility for being "complicit" in immigration. If you want all those things, which I'd safely assume you do — then you cannot hide from the fact that you support a relatively open world that allows people to travel quickly, relatively safely, and free from brutal or inhumane treatment. That's a world in which migration thrives.

That doesn't mean you have to accept immigration — not at all — it just means you have to accept that you're part of the reason it exists. What you do with that reality is entirely up to you, but it's worth pondering now and again when people blame everyone but themselves for the fact immigration happens.

As I've said before, take the Covid lockdowns which actually suspended / suppressed some of the liberties that make the world open (like travel restrictions, lockdowns etc). These measures were some of the most successful anti-migration policies on a global level in this century — how did the Right feel about them?

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Minimising language usual of our media aside, does anyone know are their clear rules regarding criminal offences while being an Asylum Seeker or refugee?
I notice apart from the very lenient 8 month sentence, he also received 2 years suspended - which suggests he will not be deported following his sentence. Is this guy just Ireland’s problem now? Or is there a mechanism or threshold at which someone will be expelled from the country?

Anyone that turns on the people of the country that is actively giving them shelter is not the kind of person we want. I think any crimes committed during the application period should result in automatic refusal. Furthermore there should be an extended probation period after approval for automatic deportation after serving their sentence. We have more than enough of our own criminals to be worrying about, unfortunately the Irish state is responsible for them - no use in adding to that burden unnecessarily.

Well, that's fair enough, but when it comes to the demand for safe, easy international travel, people vote with their feet and their wallets. You may have been happy with the Covid travel restrictions, but it is clear that most people will otherwise opt to travel (whether for holiday or a long term / permanent move) when those restrictions don't exist.

So yeah, my point really is just if you want and avail of the things that make the world a relatively open place — you don't get to sit back and blame the openness of the world squarely on others (such as Lefties or "unlimited migration cheerleaders").

That may not be you, in fact you give the impression of preferring the travel restrictions, and you are very much entitled to that opinion. So if you see them as an effective means of radically tackling migration, then you should advocate them. I'd just probably suspect that you'll find that a fair few people on the supposed Right, when it really comes down to it, aren't quite as anti "open borders" as they might otherwise make themselves out to be.