Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

We have a lot of players we plan to definitely sell. Rashford, Antony, Sancho and Garnacho are definites that we want to sell. We would offload Casemiro if we could, and also Maguire imo.

It'd be nice if we could get some movement on some of these players sooner rather than later so we can get some certainty for our transfer budget.

It's highly unusual that a club tries to offload so many high priced assets in one go, but it speaks to the extent of mismanagement at the club prior to INEOS.

To be fair to INEOS, I don't see many of their signings being anywhere near as poor as the previous regime and they have a massive mess to clear up.

The INEOS signings to date have roughly retained their valuations and haven't dropped like a stone, so even if you wanted to sell a couple of them you wouldn't be making a huge loss. This is critical and a point the casual fan overlooks imo.

I wouldn't think Ugarte has been anywhere near bad enough to call a flop. but I am higher on him than others.
I think MDL will be a solid signing, not the elite CB people thought he would become 4 years ago.
Zirkzee and Dorgu will be good squad players at worst - which would save them from being flops.
Mazraoui, solid player. 15million. absolutely not a flop. Will be impossibly for him to be a flop at this point, imo.

While I really like Mainoo, it's clear the coach has big doubts about him in a 3-4-3.

He lacks pace and doesn't quite have the athleticism you would like from the CMs in this system. And as you say, the defensive side of his game has some room for improvement.

My fear is we could see him moved out this summer which long-term would be a real mistake imo.

Some of the other posts here suggesting Ugarte is a flop seem very premature to me. I would say he had a "mixed" season. Room for improvement, yes, but hardly a flop.

Good No.6's are hard to come by and his fee wasn't in the crazy Antony/Hojlund bracket.

I would suggest we already have Goykeres. Wouldn't worry about Arsenal.

I'd be hoping it's tactics to sway RB Leipzig to accept their Sesko bid. It's only been leaked this morning that similar to Lisbon they want a high fee

I would normally have said that because of the relationship between Amorim & Gyokeres, it would be known long ago by the club whether this was likely to happen or not.

But the again I thought the same about ETH & De Jong but we saw the saga that turned into.

Definitely don't want Osimhen. Seems like he just wants a load of cash and doesn't seem like he has a good attitude.

If Oshimen was just about wages he surely would have accepted the Saudi deal. No one in Europe is going to give him the apparent wage demands. He probably wants to be one of the highest paid strikers but can't see it being 450 or 500k like reported. I'd imagine closer to 300/350 is what he wants.

I also think it's way too early to call it on Ugarte and Mainoo. Anyone remember Rodri when he first came in at Man City? Was seen as a poor man's Fernandinho and most thought he wouldn't last long there.

Hopefully with a season under his belt we see and improvement in Ugarte. If not he will be for sale next summer. Kobbie is still very young and has plenty of development left in him and he can always work on his strength. His fundamentals are excellent.

I can't think of any INEOS signing that has tanked in value. Even Ugarte, who I don't agree is a flop, is worth at least 30m. We only paid 42.5m for him, with potential add ons.

Zirkzee and De Ligt still have roughly the same valuations. Yoro is probably worth more - maybe 75m because he showed he's at a high level at only 18 and can cope with the PL. I feel he's over performed relative to what was expected of him in his first season. I really haven't seen many CBs as good as him at that age in a long time. Extremely astute signing.

Dorgu was 25m and I feel he's still worth at least 20. He's unspectacular but solid and versatile and has strength and pace, attributes we're sorely lacking in our squad.

Obviously Heaven was signed for peanuts and is probably worth at least 10m now, if not more.

Overall, the business INEOS have done is light years ahead of what was happening under Woodward/Arnold who were specialist in failures when it came to transfers. Maybe a bit harsh on Arnold given he only oversaw two Summer transfer windows and was put under immense pressure after Ten Hag lost his first two games, but we're still paying the price for those Antony, Casemiro, Onana and Hojlund signings.

Can you explain the bad attitude piece?

One is talking about his potential. Speculation about the future

You are saying he has a poor work ethic. Commentary on his actual character.

they are not th same. so yeah.

Id not be asking the same if you said you didn't think he would make it cause he isn't quick enough, isn't good enough defensively. but saying he wants everything handed to him easy and won't put in work is different.

cunha official

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/matheus-cunha-signs-for-man-utd-from-wolves

Or Rasmus is another

I assume depending on structure of payments any signing is a possibility maybe? Not 100% on the ins and outs of PSR but say £80m paid over 4 or 5 years is doable if the selling club is happy.

Also this could be a bit of showing Sporting they are looking elsewhere also.