Continued use of traditional cards

Seems to be physical cards everywhere in Ireland. Think I read some place that it's all on apps in Australia

Lot easier than writing on a wet card.

we have it in ClubNet but it’s not used much. In tests a fourball took almost 11 minutes longer to play 18 when using scoring for all 4 players.

We also saw late starts as players trying to set up.

We are testing OCR at the moment that will scan and enter a written card. Working well so far.

If any club would like to test.

J

We don't have great mobile coverage around the course. In my experience helping some of the seniors, some struggle with technology and need to put on glasses. So I can see it being very time-consuming and frustrating.

I've always thought about this to speed up the score entry process but had no faith in clubv1 ever doing something. I would love to hear more; please PM me if you prefer.

I do occasionally help out with closing the competitions in my club. You dont review all of the cards but you have to check the ones the computer says are in the prizes. Of course I also get to see my own cards when marked by someone else.

Lets just say what I get to see matches more or less the average golfer's skills in repairing pitch marks and raking bunkers. Half the time people dont even seem able to put the sticker on right. Its like mad squirrel stuff.

Before 'the computer' doing the cards must have been an absolute nightmare.

Honestly it seems to me to be a solution looking for a problem.

I've acted as Comp Sec in my club, granted it was before WHS came in and all that entailed. I'm pretty much aware of what goes into it and all the volunteer work required. I totally get that volunteers are usually plentiful when planning a roster in January, but in reality it will come down to the same 3/4 guys doing 90% of it for the year.

I'm just not convinced, with the age profile of club golfers (apologies for stereotyping anyone !), you'll get buy in from the vast majority. I'm all for advances, but telling some of our older golfers they have to log into an App and do x,y,z etc etc. that's before we even consider unreliable wifi & coverage, someone not having a smartphone or leaving their phone at home and a myriad of other logistical issues. John went off and Jim didn't attest his score on the app. Can't contact him, his phone is off, he's out of coverage bla, bla. Its just a nightmare waiting to happen IMHO. Card and pencil is so much simpler and its all entered on a PC terminal anyway already. Just put an "Attest" button requiring a different GI number, on the existing score entry portal amd don't bother keeping the cards.

I agree. The issue isn't necessarily with cards - it's having to review the cards. Why don't we just scrap this as you say, given everything is entered into the computer anyway.

I would seriously doubt any committee is checking every card for handicap purposes.

why?

You'd be surprised at how quickly you can do that if doing it regularly. I have three "golf events" i manage for fundraisers each year and it would be 70 -120 players. We do insist that points are entered before being handed in and you'd have a cursory look at every cards we'd be looking for overall, F9, B9 and par 3's + visitors. Those under 30 points don't need too much attention, but the others do so that there's no question over the awarding of prizes.

You'd also see "patterns" even on a year to year basis as 70% + would be attending for several years, so my guess its easier on a week by week basis.

Absolutely. I know when I used to do it, we'd check obviously the winning scores, and probably anything within 2 or 3 shots of the prizes. I found there was usually a fairly big drop off in scores though, you'd have the winning scores and maybe a few more close, but the vast majority would be way off the pace.