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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,177 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    They should play "Tears on my pillow" as they read out the verdict....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭Field east


    I will try and ‘analyse’ the mind of the Voters eligible to vote in The US. Presidential elections.
    just gone , the potential voters could be categorised as follows-:

    (1) the 100% always MEGA voters who voted R

    (2) the 100% Democratic voters who voted D

    (3) those who did not vote for a mirad of reasons

    (4) Those ‘independant thinkers who , in the end, and on balance voted R

    (5) Those ‘independant thinkers’ who , in the end and on balance voted D

    Given Trumps behaviour up to date and ‘ALL THE TOES ‘ that he has STAMPED on I could see a significant swing from 4 to 5 and I would also see a lot of 3 getting up of their ars-s and going out to vote - mostly because in discuss of what is going on

    So unless Trump changes his ‘behaviour’ , IMO, I would be VERY fearful of the next round of elections ie mid term and the pres one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,791 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump is occupying LA with 4000 national guard soldiers and now 700 marines.

    I don't think he's planning on holding free and fair elections

    Post edited by Akrasia on

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭Field east


    Since we are in the era of ‘POST TRUTH’ and throwing Trump into the ‘mix’ I can see ABSOLUTLY no difficulty in Trump deciding to activate the Insurrection Act. because he OPINIONS that it is justified to activate it therefor it can be activated - because Trump said it!!!!!!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,791 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He's also threatened to arrest the governor of California for 'doing a bad job'

    Democracy cannot operate under a tyrant like Trump

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,595 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He won't invoke the Insurrection Act, because the civil rights groups will be in court in about 2 milliseconds to have it declared illegal, which it would be, and then he would be constrained in ever using it again.

    But irrespective of invoking the IA, he's adding more than enough fuel to the fire by sending in the Marine Corps, which is a seaborne assault force to project American power abroad, and not a riot squad to be used on American soil.

    Civil wars have begun over less than what is now happening on the ground in Los Angeles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,722 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    What do you think "Send in the troops" is about? Standard deflection tactics. Except now his deflections need to get larger and larger. If real evidence begins to emerge, he will begin preparation to take the Panama Canal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭Field east


    On the BbC last night circa 1145pm a Republican senator- 100%Trump mouthpiece- when it was pointed out to him that the national guard have been called up in California and why did Trump not call them up for the Jan 6th riot. His answer was that they were suggested by Trump but Nanci Polish ‘refused ‘ the offer. I do not know how true that is - as we are now in the era op ‘post truth’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    It’s ok any minute now “checks and balances” will ride into town but they will check into the “wait and see” motel

    (Apologies it’s hard to not be sarcastic these days)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,758 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Fake news peddled by the MAGA Republican party, who deal in lies.

    It a lie so bad, when you dig into it, they implicitly would also be blaming a Republican.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    sweet lord…just catching up on this…donnie vonshitzinpants is sending in the MARINES??!? into los angeles???is that not kind of a declaration of war…?on california?as far as the "riots" go we had way worse in Derry and Belfast back in the day…seemed to me it was a very reasonable protest until the police opened up with rubber bullets and swinging batons! it all seems so wrong on so many levels…and to top it off theres those imigration lads running around in unmarked vans and trucks decked out like they are going to invade some country! "land of the free and home of the brave"?? what a load of bollix!

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭Field east


    Let’s suppose he does run, the elections are held , he WINS again, and let’s say the Democrats- or whoever - brings him to court , it’s kicked down to a lower court, kicked back up to the federal court and then over to Trump’s Supreme Court who then parks the challenge to examine the case further. Throw in a good dollop oh legal argument at all stages and by the time that is all done we are now ‘THREE YEARS ++++ into Trumps THIRD TERM

    The man is EXPERt. At working this strategy. Look at the way he was able to fend off all of the cases against him until he got ‘out the gate’ by being elected president



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'd suspect it would be before the courts well before election day as all Democratic states would not allow him on the ballot as he's ineligible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭Field east


    If in Trumps that they should be cancelled then A RESOUNDING YES. To create the right circumstances When the time comes , pick a few states where there are even minor disturbances occurring and send in the national guard and AWAY WE GO.
    Think Putin here - which Trump is an avid follower of- in Russia , if two people are seen conversing on the street they can be picked up because they were ‘ plotting something against the state’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,816 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What is true is that a lot more migrants have come to the USA, or at least tried to, during Biden's term. The Snopes article below puts the border encounters figure at 7.2 million.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/million-migrants-border-biden/

    This Politifact article puts the figure of border crossings at 10 million under Biden, with just over 4 million resultant deportations.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/oct/25/threads-posts/no-immigrants-who-entered-the-us-under-bidens-admi/

    What I would be very sceptical of is the Trump administration's claims about the proportion of these migrants who are of a dangerous or criminal nature. Though painting them in this way was only ever a tactic to drive up fear and political momentum. You'll notice how Trump's rhetoric has gradually shifted from differentiating between dangerous criminal migrants and simple economic ones, to saying that every illegal migrant is by definition a criminal. Wouldn't matter if they'd been living and working in an area for 20 years without incident.

    I don't agree with much of what Steve Bannon says - he's clearly a Trump cheerleader who happily repeats the Big Lie - but I will be fair and say that I cannot disagree with his idea of arresting CEOs of companies who hire illegals to work for rock bottom wages under the table, undercutting the domestic labour market. Not that I think this would ever happen, but it's an interesting example of how right-wing mouthpieces have co-opted certain left-wing talking points of blaming big business. Right-wing populism has shifted away from neo-liberal economics, generally, but in order to differentiate itself from the left-wing, has doubled down on the old racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Just wait and see they said

    Here's a quote from someone who lived through Nazi Germany.

    "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,791 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He first has to provoke an uprising, then he can declare an insurrection.

    Crack down on peaceful protests, mass arrests, a few deaths, mass deportations, bring people out onto the streets, then wait for some people to start lobbing moltovs or maybe take a few shots with live ammunition and kill a couple of ICE or NG personnel, and then he can declare the protests as some kind of organised 'Anti FA' uprising and invoke the insurrection act.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,758 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's all being done to undermine law and order and provoke such an incident.

    Straight out of the fascist playbook.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,064 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Trump said there's too much phony stuff on there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭circadian


    The Administration has so far largely ignored court orders because there's no one willing to enforce them. Civil rights groups can go ahead and take it to court, and win, but I doubt Trump will even acknowledge it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Donnie pushes on doors that the "checks and balances" people expect to hold but instead they fall like dominoes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Let's just take a step back and look at what happened yesterday. Trump sent in the NG without any call from the state, a massive power grab by the federal government over state rights. Couple this with the recent confession from MTG that she hadn't read the tax bill but had since seen that within it was a cancellation of state rights in relation to AI for a 10-year period.

    Trump then called for the arrest of the democratically elected governor of the great state of California, and when specifically asked on what grounds, the only thing he could come up with is that Newsom is bad at his job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    So you think the state of California is wilfully ignoring immigration laws that govern the entire land. Do you want to debate with Trump on whether he is being a law abiding citizen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,177 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    And yet, we still have folk saying… "well, let's wait and see until he does XYZ before we react"!

    Reacting to him isn't the way - you have to pre-empt or else you'll be trying to mitigate or repair the damage as opposed to preventing it.

    The problem with Trump is that the damage being done can't be repaired.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,791 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you were to come up with the most daring plan to overthrow US democracy, and you didn't think the courts or police or military or media would stand in your way, here is what you could do.

    Trump already controls both legislative houses in 26 states in America. These are lost causes, he will use his influence there to illegally lock those states down and retain control in the mid terms one way or another.


    This means he needs 12 more states where he controls a majority in both houses. The states below are would be his likely targets given that they have the smallest margin needed to flip them to full GOP control.

    • Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Nevada, Arizona, Maine, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington, Illinois

    How would Trump ensure that he retains the 26 states he has, and maximise his chance of flipping the 8 states he needs?

    • Use widespread intimidation, purging and suppression in key states in order to flip control of the state legislatures in the 2026 mid term elections. https://truthout.org/articles/state-voter-suppression-bills-could-disenfranchise-millions-ahead-of-midterms/
    • Arrest or deport opposition candidates on spurious charges
    • Replace the regulators in election and media oversight committees so that they do nothing to prevent false and misleading campaigning.
    • Utilising AI to spread disinformation about opponents.
    • Fire anyone responsible for certifying elections who does not support the Trump mission
    • Use mass surveillance and data collection (Palantir) to focus suppressive tactics on individuals. Identifying political opponents and using their voting history against them
    • Use data aggregation to make people afraid to speak out against the regime, have ordinary people fired or arrested on trumped up charges, or deported or have their careers affected or their credit scores, or have previous 'skeletons' emerge to discredit them
    • Declare political opponents to be 'terrorists' if they had been attending protests against mass deportation or other Trump activities
    • Pack the courts with regime friendly officers and intimidate remaining officials with propaganda and smear campaigns against them, make them afraid to stand up to the Trump regime, threaten their friends and family with arrest and deportation.

    None of this is legal, but that's basically the only barrier to him actually doing any of this. And guess what, Trump doesn't care what is legal or illegal. He will just do whatever he thinks will help his goals, and worry about the consequences later.

    The courts are too slow to stop him, especially if he controls the FBI and the department of justice, and has no respect for political norms or precedents. We have already seen many of these things already happen on a smaller scale. Voter suppression is normal now, packing courts is normal. Mass firing of federal employees is normal now, nobody is stopping him from invading LA with thousands of heavily armed soldiers.

    There will be elections in 2026. They won't be free and fair, but that is because Trump (and the psychopaths behind project 2025) want to change the constitution, so they need to control more democratic states.
    Once they have that, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to legally stop him from doing anything he wants.

    If the US population do not rise up now, by 2026, it will be too late.

    If commanders in the US armed forces and the National Guard do not recognise that the biggest threat to the US constitution is no longer foreign, but domestic. then it will be too late and democracy in the USA will be over.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    ICE is essentially Trumps private army.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-mistakenly-detain-us-marshal-rcna211599



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If the Gov activates the Nat Gd units in his state, they can use the military posts and facilities set aside for them. As Trump sidestepped the Gov deliberately to deny him any say in the activation, Trump has had to house the troops in the federal buildings he claims were at risk from rioters and looters, along with illegal aliens.

    Like you, I cant see the Gov aiding Trump in his illegal anti-democratic in-state activities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Believe it or not, the US constitution allows for the president, if he chooses to retire/resign before his term is up, to name and appoint a successor from within the congress. It apparently need not be the current V/P he chooses, even though the V/P is also a member of the house when it comes to tied votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    what will some of those folks do when heavily armed masked men arrive at their door without a warrant and try to send em to El Salvador despite these folks being naturalised migrants and citizens

    I guess they will wait and see from inside a prison camp

    “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    —Martin Niemöller”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Twenty-Fifth Amendment

    Section 1

    In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    How does it get around that part of the constitution?



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