Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

freddie1970 · 08-06-2025 07:14PM

well so much for president of peace .. the world is in a much bigger mess than what it was before he was sworn in

kowloon · 08-06-2025 07:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526689#Comment_123526689

I think they're saying the right to protest is covered by the First Amendment and they're suggesting that the military do a Curragh mutiny rather than move against protesters.

Seen a few posts about the Insurrection Act being used when it wasn't during the Jan 6th riot.

Notmything · 08-06-2025 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526556#Comment_123526556

Are those the goalposts moving? My response was to you asking how the military must feel having to take orders from Trump. And the reality is, as long as those orders are legal their feelings are don't get to decide whether to obey or not.

Now if illegal orders are issued that's a very different story. Trump can do as many ****, shady things but if he issues legal orders then the military doesn't have a lot of wiggle room.

Wolf359f · 08-06-2025 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526719#Comment_123526719

I doubt the right to riot is protected. All I've seen so far is some National Guard standing around city hall with protesters protesting in front of them.

I think some people are blowing it out of proportion so far.

Notmything · 08-06-2025 07:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526583#Comment_123526583

Oh no, a poorly worded comment, won't someone please think of the easily offended.

How about this pinko, what if the US military decided it wasn't going to follow any lawful orders given by president Obama, because they didn't like his skin colour or the decisions he was making. Would that be ok?

Mod - warned for uncivil post

kowloon · 08-06-2025 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526736#Comment_123526736

It's not a good look from the party that brought us "Jan 6 was normal political discourse". Anything I've seen of the riots is not so rioty by comparison.

Leroy42 · 08-06-2025 07:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526736#Comment_123526736

100%. Particularly POTUS. The speed in which he called in the NG, compared to his complete lack of action on Jan 6th, is the big concern.

Trump has openly attacked the Governor and Major, both democratically elected, so clearly he is not concerned with lowering tensions.

Wolf359f · 08-06-2025 07:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526754#Comment_123526754

Why the what if though? Currently the US military is following the lawful orders given to them by the president. Why are you bringing Obama and skin colour into it?

Notmything · 08-06-2025 07:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526803#Comment_123526803

It was reference to an earlier post saying the military should refuse because of who Trump is and is not a nice person. I was asking if it would be ok if they did the same for another president cause of who they are.

And yes, as of now no illegal orders have been issued to the military that I'm aware of.

Wolf359f · 08-06-2025 07:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526774#Comment_123526774

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526777#Comment_123526777

I know it's not a good look and especially with his reluctance to call the national guards in during the Jan 6 insurrection. Yes it inflames the situation, especially when the governor hasn't requested them etc...

But people shouting out about violations of the constitution or unlawful orders etc... is ridiculous.

reclose · 08-06-2025 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526432#Comment_123526432

That’s a ridiculous over simplification. We will leave it there.

kowloon · 08-06-2025 08:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526814#Comment_123526814

I think the problem is some people want a clash. And they're not all on the one side.

Leroy42 · 08-06-2025 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526814#Comment_123526814

Not really. Trump has shown, and continues to show, that does not consider himself bound by the norms.

And, he has a track record of pushing the boundaries. And every single time we have people telling us that he hasn't done anything yet and there is nothing to worry about.

And then when he does do something, people say it wasn't as bad as it could be.

Is Trump waiting to see how much damage the protesters will do before sending in the NG? No. There is a risk so he acts. But with Trump everyone has to give him all the benefits of the doubt despite his track record

everlast75 · 08-06-2025 08:25PM

I'm noting those in support for Trump at present, posting and taking issue and saying "he hasn't done X yet".

They'll soon disappear when he does. Happens every time

poop emoji · 08-06-2025 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526733#Comment_123526733

Who determines what’s legal? Who writes the laws? Who signs those laws? Who enforces those laws? Connect the dots there

what happens when Trump “creatively” ignores and even attacks judges … like he has done

kowloon · 08-06-2025 08:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526896#Comment_123526896

It's always drive-by posts; engaging in an actual discussion would be unusual. They don't want to get pinned down into being an apologist for someone so unpredictable. Better to wait for Karoline Leavitt or the likes of Steve Bannon to give them their talking points.

circadian · 08-06-2025 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526754#Comment_123526754

I'm mixed race.

aloyisious · 08-06-2025 09:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526507#Comment_123526507

Aka known as the Curragh Mutiny in 1914. It included several members of the British Imperial General Staff including General [later Field Marshall] Sir Henry Wilson, Director of Military Operations, who ended up being shot dead on a London Street on Michael Collins orders in June 1922, two months before Collins was killed. The reach of the mutineers went too high for action to be taken against them with WWI around the corner for the empire/s. History is a bummer.

aloyisious · 08-06-2025 09:11PM

IMO, if things kick off at the federal location where the NG people are, it'll be down to agent provocateur action from one side or the other [not NG people] with the supreme fueller in Washington blowing on the fire. Having a mix of agency pers on the skirmish line gives indication of no one in overall charge of that front line and add to the risk of accidental explosive incident.

mountain · 08-06-2025 09:31PM

he’s making LA all about himself, keeping himself in the news and the centre of attention. There seems to be no one around him to suggest caution to him. Like with the tariffs he has no idea of the consequences of any of his policies

Cody montana · 08-06-2025 09:36PM

I see he’s nearly fallen going up some plane stairs.

extra gravy · 08-06-2025 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123527091#Comment_123527091

The usual suspects thought it hilarious when Biden did this so I assume we can all have a good laugh at him and look forward to endless media coverage questioning his physical capabilities.

10000maniacs · 08-06-2025 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123525251#Comment_123525251

Actually watch last year's movie "Civil War". So close to the bone of what's happening now in the US.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-06-2025 10:19PM

Maybe his new bribed AF1 will have an escalator for him

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1931815762253271459

Manic Moran · 08-06-2025 10:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526425#Comment_123526425

As far as the military is concerned, that's easily solved by referencing the Manual for Courts Martial. The answer is the judge at trial.

Since most soldiers don't happen to have lawyers on speed dial for urgent matters, the Manual for Courts Martial has a bit more to say on the matter to protect them. The first is that any order is presumed to be lawful and are disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. The second is that actions pursuant to any order are excused unless the accused knew, or a person of reasonable sense and understanding would have known, the order to be unlawful. Not 'suspected', not 'believed', not 'disliked', but 'knew.'

At the higher level, the commanders will have lawyers to advise them. 79th IBCT have been called into federal service and given their initial orders. There is a brigade JAG the commander can check with to get a guidance on the legality of things. The responsibility is entirely the commander's though, not the lawyer's.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123526220#Comment_123526220

I appreciate your well-written and well-argued post. However, I would also observe that the last time a bunch of US Army officers decided to actively side with States instead of the federal government due to a disagreement with federal policy, we had a four year Civil War. An argument may perhaps be made that the US needs another civil war to sort things out, but I think I would rather avoid that if possible.

There is precedent for the US military carrying out its orders, even those we may consider unfair or immoral, and coming out OK for it. Indeed, the utterly impartial actions of the Arkansas Army National Guard helped to cement the military's reputation as a trustworthy institution of integrity. No complaining, no grandstanding, just following the lawful orders of higher, first from the Governor, and then from the President. Once the US Army decides it is going to become an active decider of what is 'morally correct', that is a break of the dam which cannot be re-plugged, and for a week short of 250 years, has not yet been broken. I would argue that there is a strong sense in the Army that the most basic principle of our modern liberal democracy is that the military is subservient to the elected civilian leadership, and that principle should not be thrown away because of a difference of opinion on policies. Note that whatever the opinions of people in Southern California, those opinions are not necessarily shared by those of Northern Texas or Western Colorado or wherever. Why should the Army be forced to be arbiters between the States as long as the government still functions?

aloyisious · 08-06-2025 10:33PM

LAPD has informed the crowd that it has been declared an unlawful assembly and those who don't disperse may have less than lethal weapons used on them. It seems the city is trying to reclaim the streets without the use of federal agency Pers or the Nat Gd troops located back at the federal detention centre and reduce the opportunity for Trump to claim he's the law and order president.

One major noticeable thing is that cars left parked on the streets have not been damaged or weaponised by the crowd so there is no sign of riot and definitely no sign of looting despite what Trump claimed as a reason for his deploying the NG in LA.

Lewis_Benson · 08-06-2025 10:44PM

Falling up a stairs...

charlie14 · 08-06-2025 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123527091#Comment_123527091

Hopefully if he falls coming down them nobody will catch him.

Widdensushi · 08-06-2025 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123527253#Comment_123527253

It seems very pedantic noteing that bit of a stumble,it could happen to anyone,of any age,,, but if it had happened to Biden..…

kowloon · 08-06-2025 11:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123527001#Comment_123527001

Most sources downgrade it to The Curragh Incident, but they tend to be British authors with an interest in maintaining the British Army's apolitical reputation. Irish sources fall largely on the other side, pointing out how many British officers and men, even more so in the cavalry, would be sympathetic to the UVF.

Another historical event that feels relevant again.

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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