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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,679 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Any guesses where the 30 voluntarily went?

    a major co-ordinated operation reported in March, took place at a Belfast apartment development. Offences ranged from breaching visa conditions to illegal UK entry with no permission to work. 30 of the individuals arrested elected to leave the UK voluntarily https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0djrk7vzpo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Media talking up the pro Palestinian march down in Cork and the numbers at it but the other march barely gets a mention even though from the videos I've seen online the numbers looked big as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I have a major problem with the tone and the narrative the media spin. We have a situation where the country is experiencing problems with mass migration. One of the tools to deal with people who have either broken the law or don't meet our laws, is deportation, its too slow, it needs improving, we all know this.

    Yet for some reason, the media give more airtime to small parties like the SD's who try to undermine the rules of the land by going on some bleeding heart offensive. I've seen more from Gannon or Gibney, than have the government whi should be out there, front and centre telling us and the world that deportations will contuine and people are given plenty of time to leave voluntarily and forced deportations are of their own making.

    As often happens in this country, the left and the media set the narrative, and then the government act accordingly, its a trick that has kept FFG in power for decades, stealing their talking points so as not to concede power. A trick they now appear to be using with the rights talking points.

    So to recap, while they may not have a sniff of power, they have had more airtime than the government on this issue.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    We will, of course, continue to honour our solemn international duty in the area of protection. However, we do not have limitless resources and we simply cannot operate an immigration policy which leaves us open to being targeted by those who trade in human misery, no more than we are in a position to provide for the vast number of economic migrants who seek a better life. It would be wrong for us to pretend otherwise or to offer simplistic solutions to what are truly complex and difficult issues of public policy with which governments all over Europe are struggling to grapple

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2014-09-30a.464

    Quite the U turn since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,877 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know how our immigration officials came up with their decision on either his case or the case of the school children that were deleted but I will say there's plenty on the right who would happily see legitimate asylum seekers out of our country to 'protect our gene pool' or some other fallacy.

    The fact they could be deported and subjected to FGM or other brutal forms of torture is largely irrelevant to them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Having protests on the streets about immigrate a disaster as I see it. Mainstream parties failing to grasp the nettle and very weak media coverage has opened the door for wannabe fascists, who will get a lot of support.
    The pro Palestinians should have kept their distance from them, the last thing the country try needs is a culture war.

    The bigger picture is that the Weat is already in a hybrid war against Russia, who are almost certainly backing the Irish far right and left. Immigration is the ideal vehicle for them to try and blunt Irish backing for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The problem is the appeals take forever given the sheer quantity arriving because we are seen as a soft touch. When an applicant is told no, they should have to leave in order to have a right to appeal. Otherwise it's a permanent no, all supports removed etc.

    The deportations may seem small but if they continue to be consistently happening it will deter some from coming. We were seen as an easy system to game.

    When Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022 our government immediately made offerings to take 200000 people. We had nowhere to put them but we will just take 200000, basically requiring new new cities the size of Limerick in an instant. It was utter insanity and when the government are now saying 80-90% of asylum applications are not genuine or eligible then it just makes it all the harder to understand.

    Papers lately have had features with Irish people talking about not being able to get dental appointments, doctor appointments, long waiting times for procedures etc. The government don't care about the damage they are doing to small rural towns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You appear to be confused but you are correct in one thing,you have no idea how the immigration officials reached their decisions, the deported family had exhausted all appeals in the four years they were here and were deemed to have not reached the criteria for asylum.

    That should be the end of it but instead we have some parties like the Sds,pbp and labour bleating on about an immigration FU or that the family are returning to torture,yet the immigration officials have decided its safe to return those deported.

    I have faith in the decision making of the official immigration authorities and i urge everybody to ignore the hysteria created by the Sds and their ilk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    China is also a signee to that convention but I’ve never once heard anyone criticise China for not taking refugees or asylum seekers…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Gript on the money , again. Nice interview with a happy go lucky Nigerian loving life here. Have we got an update from Rte on the knitting clubs anguish at a member being deported?!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Talking about progressive tax to encourage some to sell , not for social housing. This would benefit locals who are hard working and pay their taxes too.

    This is a typical " won't somebody think of the poor landlords " comment .

    How many " holiday" homes does a person "need " when there are other hardworking families whose adult children have to move away to buy ?

    Maybe it's time these air bnb tycoons were made aware that they are as much part of the problem as immigrants

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    He would be the main reason Labour lost their seat in Dublin Bay North. Vote went to Barry Heneghan and Sinn Féin .

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Last 2 posts deleted. A reminder for people of the mod notes in OP and also the site wide policy not to discuss matters that are before the courts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Why are you conflating Ukrainians with asylum seekers ?

    2 different entities.

    Yes , the government especially McEntee , should have gotten on top of the safe country list as well as deportations of those unsuccessful quicker ...it had to be dragged out of them . This created a backlog which allows people to try to conflate emergency Temporary Protection with asylum as you have done there..."They are all taking our houses and our services ",( paraphrasing ).

    As for dental, medical and other problems with rural services ..

    These have been issues since the crash and never sorted. Of course the more people in the country the more difficult it is to access services .Be the same if we had no immigration and our own emigrants returned .

    We see that in areas that never had an asylum seekers nor Ukrainian so stop strawmanning .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Because the government see piling people into the country no matter where they are from as some form of shortcut to hit targets as part of project 2040 and it's utterly reckless behaviour when social services, already under huge strain are now totally screwed.

    You talk about our own returning emigrants Compared to immigration but how many people emigrating are younger generations, they aren't leaving a house behind to be bought as most likely they are leaving their childhood bedrooms. This creates a massive void as if 5/6 people leave their family home to live in Canada or Australia and are replaced by three couples who each want to buy (or rent) and house or apartment it drives demand up.

    When the demand is many years ahead of supply you have a monumental problem. Supply is lagging generations behind now .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The number of asylum seekers coming to Ireland so far this year is over 40% down on last years numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Good. Hopefully the government enforcing deportations results in that falling even more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't disagree about demand and supply , it's the cause of it .

    They can't return .

    There is nothing for them to either Rent or Buy in Ireland even with a good income .

    And it's not immigration or Ukrainians . It's the government FFG , and their I'm all right jack supporters who keep them in power that are the problem in this country.

    And those who say there is no opposition to vote for , if you don't give other parties a chance you end up with what we have , an unaccountable coalition with a rotating head only every few years.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,896 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    This show 'From that Small Island' is on RTE one now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    So true GG.

    Lets hope Soc Dems and Labour can mount a strong challenge next time around and finally ramp up housing to where it needs to be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It might only make a start but it'd be better than the one step forward two steps back going on for the last 8 years !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    An article on the Danish centre left's approach towards migration and how other European countries (apart from Spain) are beginning to follow suit. Unfortunately it seems the Irish left leaning parties have yet to get the memo.

    Very interesting that the Danish government actually placed ads in Lebanese newspapers outlining how tough their laws are on migration to deter people from coming.

    Our current government could do a lot worse than run a similar targeted advertisement campaign in print, media and on social media in countries where the highest percentages of failed asylum seekers originate from. Wouldn't cost a massive amount and would be worth every penny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Are you serious,the same Sds and labour who want more illegals to be allowed stay even though they have failed to meet hhe criteria for asylum. The Sds and labour are only good for undermining the immigration rules that we have at the moment,and are looking for a cheap headline.

    Hopefully we will never see the Sds in a position of power,they make Roderic and the Greens look right wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    So how did FFG get in the last few times then ? They have only changed their tune recent months .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You don't think high levels of immigration put pressure on housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good article @DaithiMa

    Would think SinnFéin is going to pivot to this policy direction before the next election .

    Certainly they appear to want to tighten things up more. Whether that is to hoover up votes or listening to grassroots is anyone's guess .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Do you want to go back and read my posts again and rephrase that ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    That teacher from the school seems a bit desperate to stay in the news.

    He told Newstalk the kids will be scarred for life and its like someone has died.

    Clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    He's aiming for a career in politics I reckon,reminds me of Aodhan O Riordan who trod a similar path.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Wonder does the principal have connections with the SD's or has contacts in the media. Definitely seems to be keeping it in the news.

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