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Reseeding a Silage field after cutting

  • 24-03-2025 10:25AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,

    i have been doing a lot of grazing ground reseeding always in august, it works well with sheep grazing off before the end of the year.

    method was spray, lime, disc, seed.

    however i want to reseed my main silage field this year, i usually cut mid may.

    soil tested last dec, lime required was between .2 & .4 T. P is satisfactory, k is low in one corner, satisfactory all the rest.

    i will be discing it, after cutting, no lime, dont think it needs it. should i spread slurry before discing?

    i was looking at the Multi-Species Sward (MSS) Measure.

    any recommendations on this for silage ground, this field usually only gets single cut, the very odd year, double cut. incase that makes a difference with species, i know certain species don't like too many cuts.

    is there a cap on how much N you can spread on this ground afterwards?

    is it worth looking into the MSS or should i just go ahead and reseed away?

    thanks for any input.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    I don’t know that exact mix but from our experience with it I would avoid multi species for silage ground. We did it on some grazing ground and overall fairly happy with it for grazing but last year it got too strong and we had to take out a cut of silage and it was not good and very hard to get cattle to eat it.

    Also you can’t spay the new grass for weeds with MSS (as it will kill some of the species) so could end up with a lot of weeds on the silage ground also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭DBK1


    As a contractor that’s in different fields on different farms baling all summer the best advice I can give you is don’t let that MSS anywhere near your farm. It has been a disaster for anyone I know that tried it and all you end up with is a field full of docks and dirt after 3 or 4 years and an expensive bill to get it back into grass again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Mss isn't suitable for silage,as said above it doest seem a great success in general from what i have see.Germinal top 5 exstend is always a safe bet for cut/graze grass seed I find anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Go with DLF N4 grazer i would rate it above all grass seed I have sown over the last few years its also good value at 75euro for a 14kg bag which means you don't need a bag and a 1/4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭jfh


    Thanks lads, I think the general consensus is to avoid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,939 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Its depends on choosing the right MSS for your soil, which has been a challenge for some given the lack of experience across many farms on the matter and the sole focus on chemical dependent PRG leys by the powers that be until recently. In any case there are benefits to choosing deep rooting herbal and grass species as they are more resilient to drought, cold, wet weather etc. Other benefits include better nutrition in fodder as they can tap trace elements in the soil that shallow rooting PRG can't which is especially important for young stock. Even a smattering of dandelions in such swards that will try to come in naturally can improve all these elements, plus is highly palatable for stock. Plus in can be beneficial to look outside the box in terms of wholecrop cereal mixes, red clover silage etc. which personally I have found to have dramatically improved stock performance on my own place in North Mayo. Even last year they came true better than alot of conventional neighbours experienced with their own standard cuts, despite a very challenging year all round in terms of poor temps and low SS threw out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭endainoz


    A varied sward can be good for soil as stated above, I have good amounts of clover and plantain in my silage ground and it makes great bales, cattle go mad for it in my experience anyway. Now this isn't from a full reseed, it's from broadcasting seed after a cut of silage so that might be the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Farm365


    Is it ok to cut a reseeded field for silage in its first year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    no issue regarding silage.

    But you’d be better off to graze the new reseed a couple of times first as it promotes tilering which will leave a thicker sward in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭jfh


    I will be grazing it this year after reseeding it so no worries there, won't be cutting silage until the following may 2026



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Edit wrong thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If you're not a high fertiliser user, you might consider moving away from the PRG grasses which are designed for it.

    I know cost can be an issue but just showing here a different type of mix. I know this one's organic but you get the gist of what I'd be looking at:

    https://www.fruithillfarm.com/seeds-and-propagation/green-manures-and-forage-crops/grass-and-meadow-mixes/white-clover-silage-mix-4-5-year-30-clovers-70-grasses-30kg-ha.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Definitely put lime on. The decaying old sward will be very acidic. 1.5 to 2 Tonne/acre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Yeah I was told by the lime contractor that you need a tonne to the acre alone to allow for the decaying old sward if not ploughing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Remember listening to a guy saying that if possible, wait 17 days, even with ploughing, to let the old grass decay, not to impede germination of any new seed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Bump this up again.

    If I take a second cut around mid June, is it a good time to reseed straight afterwards?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭50HX


    With reseeding you just have to go for it.

    Too many get bogged down on the time of year.

    Once frosts are gone & you can get a grazing out of it thats my window anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    It's more so is it a good time to spray off when it's cut.

    Im not a fan of spraying before cutting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    it’d be fine. Let the aftergrass come on a bit, then spray and away then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭50HX


    I agree

    I got caught on 8 acres before, weather bate me but managed to disk it once a week & got seeded 3 weeks later.

    In hindsight it worked out great as all matter was well decayed before harrow& seed.

    Weather played ball in sept & got a great clean out from 50 calves from a neighbour(outblock

    You have to go for it & not over think it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Dunedin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭V6400


    Is there really a need to spray off? If you're waiting for regrowth then youre probably adding at least 2 weeks to the job, would post emergence spray not do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭epfff


    Not spraying leaves too much competition with new seed.

    Will work but lots of room for error.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    How long after spraying do you spread top dressing if ploughing it in



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