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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    All that needs to happen is for deporting AS/illegals to become more lucrative than housing them.

    Either way the tax payer will be fleeced but at least deportation has benefits to society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Juran


    Agree. Setting up my charter aircraft business as we speak. Then I will subcontract my deportation government contracts out to another charter company who will fly the planes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Switzerland processes claims in 24 hrs now, they were always an efficient bunch! Spare a thought for the swiss refugee industry in these trying times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Perhaps I just overlooked it but is this recent flight with the 35 people, a repatriation to their place of origin or are they getting deported to Nigeria due to a Government led agreement with said country, similar to the short lived Rwanda plan in the UK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Of course the D4 media have to make sure everyone knows kids were deported as well.

    I couldn't care less if kids are being deported.

    In fairness to O Callaghan he has hit the ground running with these deportations which is in stark contrast to his useless predecessor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    As far as I know,we can only remove illegals to countries that we have a return agreement with,obviously we have such an arrangement with Georgia and Nigeria but there are other countries that will not accept their citizens back.

    Going forward we may have to apply pressure on these other countries to accept their citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Fly over with a few parachutes on board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭minimary


    The journal now reporting how devastated schoolchildren were to have their classmates deported. I mean the parents could have avoided this by voluntarily leaving once their claims were unsuccessful (or never chancing their arms by claiming asylum they weren't entitled to to begin with )



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    They have the comments under this article turned off over on X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This is what happens when we are seen as a soft touch and we don't implement the rules in a timely fashion. There should be deportation flights every week, and it should be well known. The people who are here should know they could be deported at any moment.

    The parents of the 5 children, broke the rules and tried to ride their luck by over staying and using tactics like putting down roots as a manipulation tools to tug at the heart strings. They and the other adults on board and every other person who is living here legally with deportation hanging over their heads, need to know Ireland is serious about deportation and it will happen. Equally, the those with deportation orders over their heads are all putting further strains on the overwhlemed systems and services. Not surprised in the slightest to see the journal pulling this sort of angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    It's a start and better than nothing but i'd like to see it scaled up massively. We should be looking at hundreds every day yes we've a massive job on our hands but what's the alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    There are no direct flights from Ireland to Nigeria. Chartering a plane is not cheap - depending on the size of the plane it cost anywhere from 3 to 30 k an hour to fly. 20 hour return trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Not going to happen. They will continue with these infrequent propaganda flights and nothing more.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This was a return flight also, it flew Lagos-Dublin presumably to return the Irish officials who accompanied the deportees to Lagos. There was also 2 positioning flights to and from London to account for.

    Cost was approx €9.3k per deportee which in the context of the costs associated with the IPAS system is quite a bargain. If it has a deterring factor going forward it’ll look even better value



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    RTE news : Cost of deporting 35 people to Nigeria was €325k

    http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0605/1516803-immigration-removal/

    Buried in the bottom of the article we see a quote from the Irish Refugee council, voicing their displeasure at the governments "near exclusive focus on deportation as the central pillar of international protection policy", which they claim this deeply concerning.

    What I find deeply concerning is that of the 13,099 asylum seekers in 2024, only 3,888 were positive, meaning approx 70% were not successful. Yet the IRC want to have us believe, the approx 100 forced and approx 700 self deportations so far this year, are a near exclusive focus of the governments policy.

    Edit, a deeper dive on the departments number. From department of justice on gov , forced:- 106 on charter flights, 54 on scheduled flights and 23 unescorted. Voluntary:- 694.

    In 2025, so far 1,940 deportation orders have been signed but only 888 have left to date.

    This is compared to a total of 1,116 in 2024.

    Sorry about all the edits, wanted to get numbers correct without link dumping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Right across the political spectrum you hear that stupid phrase parroted.

    Sick to death of hearing it not only FF/FG but SF, labour and PBP.

    Don't for a second let the useless opposition off the hook.

    It is a ubiquitous refrain and a untruth since all Ireland need do is exercise her opt out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How long were these failed IPAs in Ireland for the kids to be in school?

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    What are they refused entry on arrival ?

    '' If a person indicates or is identified as being in need of international protection they are admitted to the international protection process. However, they will still be recorded as a refusal of leave to land. ''

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2025-03-19a.3253#:~:text=In%20Dublin%20Airport%20in%202024,for%20elsewhere%20in%20the%20state.

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    4 years, was listening to Pat Kenny grill someone on it yesterday morning. A ridiculous amount of time for an application to be processed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭emo72


    Will international obligations always outweigh national obligations? I mean they should remember Irish nationals elect them. There's no international citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Honestly, reading some of these posts about deportations makes me wonder what is ever going to make a large number of contributors on this thread happy.

    News about deportations happening and immediately it's nothing but groaning because: it's not enough, the Lefty moaners dared mention there were kids being deported, a school expressed sadness at losing pupils, the costs were mentioned, Switzerland deports more etc etc etc etc. The fact that we are quite new to all this as a country, trying to develop and ramp up an effective deportation system is routinely ignored (with wildly unfair comparisons to places like Switzerland which have long-developed processes for deportations, functioning bilateral return and transit agreements, and have simply been dealing with this for much longer than we have) — just as our relative lack of experience in these issues was ignored on here when the first spike of asylum applications occurred.

    Deportations are necessary but I don't think there's any need for articles about them to be replete with joyous glee. I'm pro-choice and I can still see the tragedy and moral difficulties with abortion — I don't think it's something to necessarily be celebrated. Much in the same way, I don't see any reason why deportations need to be reported on without reference to the negative human experience involved, or the financial costs.

    But sure, people probably won't be happy until the media call for street parties and outpourings of joy every time a plane full of deportees takes off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    As a teacher, I am disappointed in the principal for speaking out about this. Obviously checks were done on the family and that information probably wasn't released to the school. Let rules be rules and don't interfere in this kind of stuff.

    In the same breath, the principal will be coming out saying he can't get staff in Dublin because of the chronic housing crisis. So which is it because we can't house the world.

    The process needs to quickened up rapidly and maybe IPAS children need to be taught within their own centres to avoid issues like this.

    Post edited by Thorny Queen on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    Ah i know and unfortunately many will fall for it as the government being hard on the immigration problem. I live in hope but in reality i know exactly what they are up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    If you are a Marxist as many of these people are, then yes, international obligations do actually outweigh national obligations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Lot of connotations come bundled when you use the word hate, what makes it an especially strange use though is when it is something you have a choice over consuming or not.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,430 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Some awful sympathetic nonsense being discussed by the Friday panel on the Claire Byrne show about the 35 deportees, focusing in on the children.

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    I will edit this message later to get the quote exactly right.

    Claire: "Imagine the children being deported to a country they don't know(their home country), when their friends are back in Dublin 8."

    And that was just one example. That would work in the exact opposite way, people illegally coming here with kids who have no knowledge of Ireland, leaving their friends behind in their home countries. They shouldn't come here if they've no right to be here, and any hardship then experienced lies on their shoulders.



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