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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Just watched that debate.

    Sweet Jesus - Hausdorff left herself totally open.

    The lies and Hasbara is incredible. It was easy for Morgan and Smith to shred every single point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ironically, maniacs like her and Mencer are doing trojan work in discrediting the regime (and Zionism)……we should nearly be thanking them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Totally agree - I would have thought any PR company worth their salt would tell Israel to hook all spokespersons off the field of play immediately. The damage is immense.

    If any Israeli citizens who are even slightly anti war saw these interviews, they'd be mortified. I'm genuinely sorry for those people to be associated with these charades. Some people will of course understand that they are parroting Israeli Govt. Propaganda. Many won't and simply tar all Israelis with the same brush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Here is the link for others who want to watch it. Around 11:30 mins in when the bullsit starts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MpujQ_y3RU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I watched it. Unreal. I haven't come across her before but you have to be half Terminator to be an Israeli spokesperson these days. They are doing themselves no favours denying everything and coming out with constant obvious lies. She wouldn't even accept that the doctor in Gaza lost 9 children to an IDF attack recently.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There was something almost robotic about her. Even when Piers was cutting across her and telling her she was talking absolute BS, she just kept ploughing on with the propaganda script and lies. The UK ambassador is another one of these weird robotic Zionist types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The lying and the lying and the lying… they probably end up believing their own lies. Shades of some on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The ICC, iCJ, UN, are they just toothless places to mouth off?

    Every country bar 1 voted for a call for a ceasefire and immediate resumption of all international aid but vetoed by the US, so no resolution. The members were well aware before yesterday's meeting what the outcome would be. Arrest warrants out for Nethanyahu and cohorts, still just useless pieces of paper. Apart from outraged sounds, there's nothing concrete being done to immediately help the people affected on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I agree and the US are a disgrace to veto a ceasefire.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The UN are not the problem. It's more that we have two rogue / pariah states in the 'western' sphere who don't believe in international law : Trump's US and Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,530 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yeah she is a smart lady no doubt but when you are trying to defend the indefensible you run out of road very quickly. She even excuses the settlements in the West Bank then has the audacity to lecture others on international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,530 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well the EU could do something concrete but they won't go against the US. So I doubt their "review" will go anywhere . Yet incredibly there are still people who believe the US has the moral authority to lecture others and speak about the sham that is the so called rules based order. The events in Gaza has clearly shown that to be a do as we say not as we do policy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    What do you think the EU should or could be doing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    This is actually pretty amazing to hear, where the popular claim amongst Israel-supporters that releasing the hostages, and Hamas giving up their fight, will end the war… David Mencer literally admits that Palestinians will be asked to "Voluntarily leave" according to the "Trump plan"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Is it not full of mines etc ? How will the people be safe there for the rebuild ? Surely they need some temp accommodation while it happens ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm amazed the Zio bots keep repeating the mantra that if Hamas release the hostages and surrender, this means the immediate end of the war, peace in Gaza and humanitarian aid going in. They don't even appear to be listening to the regime's propagandists and Netanyahu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,530 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They could sanction Israel/suspend trade with Israel .

    According to this FT article they should. Do you agree Everlong1?

    https://archive.ph/LP5Om



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    I'm all for BDS, absolutely, yes. I suppose I had kind of assumed that some sort of limited sanctions were already in place but clearly I was mistaken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Three twats on the screen, but my god that lying bitch really takes the biscuit. Just absolutely loathsome.

    Never thought I'd ever be in agreement with Piers bloody Morgan, but fair play to him for calling out her bullshit.

    You have to be the lowest of the low to support what Israel is doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Wouldn't know too much about Piers Morgan other than coming across as smug, but seemed to be asking logical questions and getting an insane narrative in return. He could have let yer one talk a bit more though - he was actually doing her a favour by cutting her off so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Morgan is a scumbag who was involved in a phone tapping scandal in the UK when he was with the Daily Mirror. He ran off to the America and then started courting the right wing over there.

    On the issue of Israel, he's just reached the point where he cannot legitimately shill for it any more, because anyone doing so is already lower than a snake's arse, so he's singing a different tune.

    I agree with him completely for calling out that lawyer's lies and bullshit, however, and more people in the media should be doing that and in that manner too. I have no time for liars in general, but when their lies are connected to bloodshed it's a more serious matter and too many in the media play a polite game with these bastards which allows them to wear a veneer of respectability when they are nothing but absolute pieces of shite that need to be countered at every turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Agree - you would want to be pretty low to lie like that so blatantly for what amounts to stealing land and dissapearing the people on it - but I am surprised at how terrible the IDF PR machine is at dealing with logical questions when challenged.

    They completely breakdown and just start spewing stuff about Hamas, totally overact their emotions at the temerity of being challenged, or twist themselves in total knots - completely unable to answer simple questions in many interviews (not just this), and it is very obvious.

    Maybe it is just impossible to justify what they are doing and that's the best they got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Morgan is very dangerous for Israel and the Zionist fanboys. He has 9 million followers on social media and is clearly not on the payroll of of the Zionist lobby, unlike many in British politics and the media. No wonder the fanboys are in apoplectic meltdown - he is going wildly off script and openly throwing accusations of genocide and war crimes at the regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The problem for Israel is that they have nowhere to go any more. The greater Israel project beloved by the right wing over there has been thoroughly exposed (although anyone paying attention to middle eastern affairs was already well aware of it) and simply countering everything with hollow cries of "antisemitism" isn't working for them. That ship has sailed and people can't be silenced by calling them names and smearing them. Too many, publicly, politically and in the media, have woken up to the reality of what Israel is and what it is doing to its neighbours.

    This means that the PR machine (and general supporters of Netanyahu) cannot answer any straightforward questions on Israel's conduct because their lies are easily countered, so they can really only obfuscate and stick to inane mantras and catchphrases. They'll just muddy the waters and deny the obvious evidence that's before everyone's eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yes, he's been accused of "switching sides" as if there's any more sides to this other than right and wrong. Morgan has just decided not to be on the wrong side any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I saw Morgan in an interview maybe last year with an IDF spokesman - he touched on the whole numbers game and he clearly still (rightly) pushes it because it a simple fact that exposes lies. It's an easy win.

    I thought the same myself - he did cut her off a lot. But I'm guessing he did that because it was very clear that any of her responses were going to be lies. It may have been a better interview if he allowed her to continue and really show up how to toxic the Hasbara really is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I've not seen any major outlets reporting this, yet. But this could seriously undermine some of the more recent talking points (Hamas stealing aid etc.).

    Haaretz

    • Israel is arming a Jihadist group in Gaza affiliated with ISIS to counter Hamas, Israeli opposition lawmaker and former defense minister Avigdor Lieberman told Israel's public broadcaster. He compared the move to Netanyahu's past support for Hamas as a way to weaken the Palestinian Authority.
    • According to Lieberman, "Israel gave assault rifles and small arms to crime families in Gaza on Netanyahu's orders. I doubt it went through the security cabinet. No one can guarantee these weapons won't eventually be turned against Israel." Responding to Lierbman's claims, PM Netanyahu's office said that "Israel is working to defeat Hamas in various ways, on the recommendation of all heads of the security establishment." Later on Thursday, Netanyahu said Israel mobilized Gazan clans opposing Hamas, and asked "what's wrong with that?"
    • A new armed Palestinian militia has expanded its presence in southern Gaza, operating in an area under direct IDF control, according to recent satellite images and online videos. Sources in Gaza claim the group consists of roughly 100 men who operate with the IDF's tacit approval. The IDF declined to comment.
    • The militia is reportedly led by Yasser Abu Shabab, known locally for his involvement in criminal activity and the looting of humanitarian aid late last year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭meepins


    Only morally decrepit ghouls consider the state of Israel and its' genocidal campaign as legitimate. Most of western politics is subject to Jewish rule and has no intention of stopping the campaign since they are the ones supplying the weapons and it's only western countries that make it possible in the first place. Any rhetoric from vassal states like the US or UK is about managing optics to maintain some credibility.

    "Hamas care more for an ideology than the lives of Palestinians"

    Hamas are a nationalist movement for the liberation of Palestine. They are the Palestinians and they are fighting an existential war against an openly genocidal evil empire.



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