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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    prepare yourself, this is very unlikely to happen this government, and possible never!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    It's now been confirmed by Simon Harris that nothing will happen for years.

    The current review of the National Development Plan will conclude next month. Harris states government support might be considered for the subsequent review after the current one concludes. He told that to Kilkenny Councillors:

    https://kclr96fm.com/local-councillors-urge-action-in-meeting-with-tainaiste/

    We also know that for the largesse bestowed upon Cork Airport to be in any way justified, it must cannibalise beyond it's catchment into Kerry, Limerick, Clare, Tipperary, Wexford, Kilkenny and, of course, Waterford. We know that because they've said so:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41632213.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    If you really want something to progress you need push it locally to make it happen. Waiting on central government is just not working so you need to try and rally local interests to push it forwards yourselves.

    The lack of any current scheduled flights is not helping confidence or credibility outside of Waterford, so this needs to be the first thing to resolve. I think there is a decent chance to try and get Emerald to do a W pattern from Manchester so I would be trying to convince them to try it. Even offer them some incentives like free handling or fees for a period just get it going.

    After that then try and get some parts of the ruway project started with local money like knock did, then later approaching the government for help complete it. If you remember this is exactly how knock got built. If you already have a successful route up and running and doing well this will massively help government confidence in viability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    You're not listening. They are telling you but it's not sinking in. There must be no Waterford Airport for Cork to 'succeed'. It doesn't matter if this sounds ridiculous or that facts and geography do not back it up. What matters is the political class think it does and they are saying no to Waterford Airport.

    Also, as an aside, WIT was the most performant IT in the country. How's that for local initiative? Then remind me of how it has been treated for the last 20 years. The 'get turboprops and it'll work out' approach won't matter a jot. Government has form for not giving a ****, even in the face of success. Their instinct will be to kill it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭914


    43.30 minutes, Cummins stating that the airport was part of FG's manifesto, stating the airport will be part of forming government and how his party and the leader of his party are fully behind it, and how he has the commitment from his party for the runway extension.

    Unable to share the video with the timestamp as sharing via the app but just skip yo 43.30 in the Déise Today election debate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭decies


    This is what happens when we have had a succession of usless politicians since Cullen !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Why wouldn’t Cork Airport want to expand its catchment area? It’s not a charity. Regardless, I don’t think Cork Airport or Cork politicians* really see Waterford Airport (which had a max of 188k PAX at its peak in the Celtic Tiger) as any form of completion to be worried about


    *not that I don’t think they have much say in any of this - they can barely deliver for Cork as is (see: Event Centre), I doubt they can hold back Waterford Airport while they’re at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭dan575283578


    I agree, it's obvious the government wont fund it at this stage, they need to find other ways to get the funds.

    I don't see the harm in trying to bring in emerald or whoever for the time being as the runway extension likely won't be happening for a long while.

    This is just my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    I think I've been fairly clear on this in a previous post to be fair. It's nothing against Waterford or the South-East, which should receive the funding it needs for the most appropriate projects, just like anywhere else.

    The point I'm making is that a jet capable airport being developed to serve a small city that's less than two hours down the motorway from the biggest airport in the state - and a surrounding region much of which is closer again - isn't the right project. It just doesn't make sense.

    You might not believe this, but I'm actually on Waterford's side here. But what I'm saying is - don't waste money on this absolute dead duck of an airport. In terms of what Waterford and the south east actually needs, things like health, education, housing etc. this is way down the list. In fact, it shouldn't be on the list at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    You just don't get it or you refuse to accept the arguments which are self-evident to those of us living in Waterford. The NPF, and the NSS before it, identifies Waterford as 1 of 4 regional cities that need to be invested in to grow to critical mass to act as counter-weights to the sprawling unchecked growth of Dublin, and help achieve equitable regional development.

    Part of achieving this aim is to make sure each of these cities has critical national or regional level infrastructure. This includes a University, an acute regional-level hospital, port, retail, hotels, major employers, etc. etc. and yes, an airport with international flights to attract FDI as well as tourism. Cork, Limerick & Galway have a lot more of these boxes ticked than Waterford and all three continue to receive more political patronage and investment than Waterford (notwithstanding the failure of Galway Airport vis-à-vis Knock).

    Clustering critical infrastructure around critical regional cities makes sense and is government policy as outlined in the NPF.

    You don't see Waterford, and it's status, in those terms - fine. You are not going to change anyone's mind on here and we're not going to convince you otherwise. So why don't you just stop posting on this forum coz you're just annoying everyone, not changing minds.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    This is essentially fine, IF, they absolutely invest in public transport infrastructure not just from Waterford but all the regional towns to Cork Airport and Dublin Airport, but the current status quo of often needing to leave your house often about 6/7 hours before a short flight is complete bullshit for anyone outside of these cities, using public transport - and it shouldn't just be for those without a car, we should absolutely not be incentivising people to drive from the South East to one of these airports and then having their car say in the airport car pack for X amount of time while they are away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭914


    It's not 2 hours though, well ye at certain times of the day it's possible.

    Last week there was an accident on the N7 and it took 1hr 20mins to get from the green isle to the red car park.

    Granted you won't always have an accident but it is a high possibility on the N7, M50 and due to this you have to leave ample time when travelling to Dublin.

    So you want a flight to London or somewhere handy and you are putting in 3-4 hours of your time for a flight under an hour, it's soul destroying, trust me, I regularly take it with work. Coming back after a day's work and having the spin home is twice as soul destroying.

    The arguement can be made, I want the convenience of a handy life and I should just suck up a 6-8hr round trip to London, but you know what I could definitely put those 7-8hrs to better use of my time had we flights operating from here in Waterford.

    The next arguement against me is Waterford could service London now with a turbo prop but the airport have categorically stated they do not see a future in turbo props and their end game is jet capable runway so that is where we are.

    I'm lucky enough to be able to drive to Dublin airport, those in public transport and they round trip is even longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Funnily enough, there are other versions of you telling us that we also don't need the investment in healthcare and education as we are well served by the hospitals / universities that are "less than two hours down the motorway".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Bards


    ..and the motorway we didn't need as the average usage was below the needs for one when we had a dirt track excuse for a national road..I.e the old N9..as I said before he is a troll and we have experience of them on this forum..plebs from outside the region telling us, the people who live here, what we can and cannot have as though we are second class citizens..makes the blood boil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Ha! I forgot we also had to fight for the motorway cause people were telling us we didn't need it. Now we are being punished in other areas for getting it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Iwastimthe


    Yes, they wanted it to go as far as Kilkenny only for Martin Cullen to push it through. When you think of the madness of it, stopping it in Kilkenny to get back on to a national road to get to the capital of the southeast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Deiseen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Bards


    From podcast on wlrfm

    https://www.wlrfm.com/podcasts/deise-today/listen-the-potential-of-waterford-airport-according-to-aviation-leaders-836950

    This is the important bit as someone who knows what he's talking about believes WAT is viable

    "Former CEO of the Irish Aviation Authority and co-author of 'A Pathfinder for Irish Aviation' Eamonn Brennan, spoke to Damien on 'Deise Today', highlighting the opportunities for Waterford Airport - if it was given due attention and funding."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Bards


    IFA County Chairs from the South-East are calling on the Government to immediately fund the long-awaited expansion of Waterford Airport, including its proposed runway extension.

    https://www.wlrfm.com/news/waterford-airport-ifa-850359



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Listened to Mary Butler on with Damien today. Civil servants calling the shots apparently. Time the government actually governed and got this over the line. I’d love to know where she is from this head person because you can be sure she has vested interests!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    The minister decides, anything else from Ms Butler is an uttter cop out. She seems completely unable to exercise influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭914


    I think she basically highlighted that herself and Cummins have no clout. Whatever about the department against it, neither herself nor Cummins have enough sway with either party leader to deliver it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    That's it Mary: always the fault of someone else. Now the green bogeyman Eamon Ryan has been put out to pasture it's the fault of the civil servants. Or is it the Comer's or Bolster or the Council - I've lost track.

    How about you Mary Butler and John Cummins? Maybe you're the problem? Maybe you're just not very good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Bards


    Alll we need is someone with clout to start a go fund me and then you'll see the government tune change, get behind it and hold it up as a model of a real Public Private Partnership



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭julyjane


    Why did they include it in their priorities when canvassing if they have no influence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,899 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I honestly think it’s time to go back to the drawing board and try cut out the state from this- several private companies are interested in part funding it alongside local authorities. If there’s sone model that could be pursued. I feel myself there’s massive political interference from cork as they have delusions of cork airport being some kind of international airport abut need all the population to justify this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,131 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    How does a complete lackwit like her get elected and re-elected?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    I'd wager that the business case that was submitted was probably lacking or weak. Likely both. I'd think a different approach is needed to get the project off the ground. It needs to be initiated locally.



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