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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I honestly don't understand why all these threads get closed in feedback forum.

    I started one today after the last thread was locked, asking what's the point of feedback, and that was just closed straightaway.

    I have no idea what the point of the feedback forum is anymore. It's rare that mods (up to admin) engage anymore, let alone mod the threads there! It's much easier to shut them after a few days.

    I think it's fair to say boards.ie just doesn't value user feedback anymore.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    A thread was opened after a poster was complaining about the words posters were using.

    Days later and nearly 1000 posts later and the poster can't explain their position.

    I'm amazed it stayed open so long.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The trans thread was a waste of time. It was the same 7 or 8 posters locked into a never ending circular battle to the death. It was a chore to even read it. And IMO, both sides eventually became as bad as each other.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This.

    If there was actual feedback, the thread would have value. Instead, it's the same people whining about past infractions and bans and/or people spewing nonsense about trans people, immigration or what have you.

    I remember one feedback thread someone started based on their feeling persecuted. It went on and on. A former CA mod posted a very detailed and helpful post and not one person quoted it.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    in all fairness if there’s a discussion being had- how dare any mod, admin or anyone else come in and stop that discussion because they don’t like it?

    I mean honest to god?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why are you pretending that this is the case when it obviously isn't? It's a feedback forum. It is for feedback. That's all that should be here.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,828 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    All posters on feedback should lose the attitude towards volunteer moderators. Posters who freely give their time to try keep the site someway operational despite being on the receiving end of constant jibes and sometimes outright abuse.

    The feedback was being read. Personally, I didn't feel any need to respond. The inevitable argument afterwards just isn't worth my (volunteer) time. I also didn't see very much legitimate feedback more so sniping and fighting amongst the usual cohorts. When asked for examples @Ezeoul you couldn't/wouldn't give them.

    Moderators are not here to be at the beck and call of posters. If there is something genuine causing issues on the site the moderation/admin team will deal with it. Yes, those who accept the position understand they are accepting the position. But it is also stressed that it is a volunteer role, to be done in their spare time and it is not to take priority over their life.

    It is also rule of this forum that you do not post simply to take pot shots at moderators. Constructive feedback is welcome. Cheap shots at volunteers just to make yourself feel better is not constructive feedback, and will eventually result in posting rights being removed.

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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I am not pretending anything. I simply do not feel that the mods or admins have any business in deciding what feedback threads warrant closure or not when there’s an active discussion going on.

    It may not be a discussion you agree with, but provided it’s not just obvious trolling or the likes, which the aforementioned certainly wasn’t, then there’s no need to close it.

    With the greatest of respect to you, how can you defend this practice when time after time the users of the site complain they do not like it. It’s been requested numerous times not to do it and every time we’re effectively told to sit down and shut up.

    I really do have to ask the question, as it has been so many times, what’s the point of even trying? You won’t accept feedback, CA won’t accept disputes on mod actions anymore, I mean honest to god it’s like you’re trying to just make people go away of their own accord with these weird rules and etc.

    frankly, I’m not going to waste either mine or your time getting into a discussion about it because as has been demonstrated repeatedly it is a waste of time and I suspect one of two things will happen here; the thread will be closed because the feedback is determined not to be good enough OR it’ll just fizzle out as posters realise they’re essentially talking to themselves.

    All of that is said with the greatest of respect for the difficult task you face on a daily basis (keeping everyone relatively happy and the site trouble free), but I’ve become horrified by how little attention is being paid to genuine complaints and that’s not in recent weeks only, I’m going back a few years now. Time after time complaints are routinely ignored, from CA to Feedback and everywhere in between.

    You just have to look at the motors forum as an example of how things have been let slip. Locking up feedback threads for no particular reason, while users take pot shots at one another and in the legal forum accuse everyone of being a troll. The sites a disaster, we’re all begging to be listened to, but I’d get a better response talking to my cat it feels like.

    Anyway, gwan.

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,828 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @Raichų you were very lucky to not be sitebanned following some of your posts on that thread over the weekend. I suggest you rethink your "feedback" or it might still happen.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Feedback is for feedback. I've no idea what's hard to understand about such a simple notion.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I disagree. @Ezeoul made a reasonable request of the mods re moderation, her OP was split off into a separate thread which IMHO was a great idea, and a very useful and surprisingly civil discussion ensued. Some people didn't like trans issues being brought into it, however in order to give a useful perspective on moderation of the use of certain language, I think it is necessary to explain the why: for those who believe in biology this requires at least the statement that sex is immutable and gender can be whatever you want it to be.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,863 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,187 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    CA as a forum is one of the most tightly modded on the site. Posters aren't angels, they feel passionately about topics and if they could discuss such topics without going off topic \ being a dick we wouldn't need mods.

    Unless a CA feedback thread is kept on a short leash with hands-on moderation, they tend to drift into discussion of the CA topic rather than the site \ feedback \ moderation.
    Actual constructive feedback gets drowned out in that 'drift'. Sometimes it is more than drift but can also get heated and digs are thrown at other posters \ groups of posters.

    This is not a pot shot at volunteers or any particular posters, but a reflection on how the forums are setup, how posters behave on social media in 2025 and I think with such a setup future feedback threads involving CA are likely to go the same way.

    As to what can be done…

    That either involves putting more demands on the mods\admins who monitor Feedback, shunting the Feedback threads into CA under its highly active moderation (to keep them on topic and insult free so more constructive feedback may emerge) … or reviewing the threads and taking Feedback privileges off serial offenders who end up "disrupting" threads.
    Expecting posters to "up their game" - the same posters that need to be tightly modded on CA - is not going to shift it, given how many threads this has happened to.

    Do nothing - it'll be a case of rinse and repeat.

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    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Feedback is for feedback - I bow down before the profundity of this post.

    Actually, that comment proves my point - saying "here are the words I demand you to use / not use" with no explanation or discussion isn't very useful. There was plenty of feedback in that thread, admittedly not all of it explicit.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I'd agree if the moderation was unbiased. I am unconvinced that it is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Where did I say you said that? Link the post please. 🤣

    I was referring to how the discussion on the thread being referred to would have had to be conducted if no mention of trans issues was allowed. The OP mentioned transphobia and transphobic comments - it would be difficult to define those terms without mentioning trans ideology for example.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,249 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    @Big Bag of Chips if I had pointed to any specific examples of transphobic language or named any of the posters using it directly, I would have been immediately infracted, most likely banned. Don't pretend like you don't know this. And this is exactly what some wanted, so were attempting to bait me into it. Shut me up.

    The whole thread that was started from my original post here is a glaring example of the level of transphobia and transphobic language allowed on Boards.ie, no matter how many deny it. Pages and pages of it. No other examples were needed.

    In the interest of feedback, the whole so-called "moderation" of Boards falls way below standard, does not enforce its own policies, and quite frankly, I am tired of the recurring excuse that it's because mods are volunteers.

    No doubt, this post will shortly be removed, and a ban will be incoming. Just like @Flaneur OBrien's post was locked immediately, and even the ability to "like" it disabled.

    Hopefully @Boards.ie: Mike and @Boards.ie: Odhran are aware of what is going on.

    *Screen-shotted for prosperity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,863 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    All I can say is that I feel profoundly sorry for the trans Boardsies, who've been greeted by threads questioning their very existence every time they open the front page for the past god knows how long.

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,828 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @Big Bag of Chips if I had pointed to any specific examples or named any posters directly, I would have been immediately infracted, most likely banned

    No you wouldn't. What a ridiculous assertion.

    If you are genuinely afraid of that response you might prefer to PM the phrases you would like obscured and I can bring them to the Admin team for consideration.

    You also regularly post with the poor-me attitude of "I'll probably get banned for this..." yet here you still are!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    Regardless of the contents and posts of those two threads I find it abhorrent that a mod would openly threaten a user like that and hold the threat of a future ban over a user in such a manner. How long would you hold a threat like that in your back pocket, a month? a year ? Either the posts breached some rules and need actioning, or they didn’t.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k


    My remark was no more snide than the one which prompted it i.e. "feedback is for feedback". "Thanks for proving my point" was pretty snide too IMHO.

    There was nothing snide about the bit in inverted commas - here's the full sentence:

    saying "here are the words I demand you to use / not use" with no explanation or discussion isn't very useful

    That was clearly a reference to the discussion in the other thread which I mentioned in my OP here, and was to explain why I thought your response actually made my point for me.

    Are you now willing to admit that you are the dishonest one, or at least that your post was factually inaccurate, and withdraw the accusation of dishonesty?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,863 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You're going to have to explain to me how this is some sort of "gotcha", which is what I assume you're getting at?

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,828 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @flyingsnail

    They did need action. It could have been a siteban, for a couple of posters. I opted to delete the posts and give both posters a chance.

    So they were actioned. The poster was then warned next instance I wouldn't be so lenient.

    It is a tool regularly used by moderators.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The thing is with that thread is it absolutely abandoned any pretence of feedback. It included posters discussing how they'd easily be able to identify transgender people in changing rooms and I'm very much toning down what they said. I just am surprised it was tolerated to continue as it was for so long.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 I Cant Believe Its Not Butter


    You seem to know a lot about the site as a first time poster...I know I dont have many posts myself,but I wouldnt know a name,and named person is trying to sell the site,accoŕding to you...So I guess I wont get many more posts in,as the site will be gone un two months......Thanks for the info

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I don't do gotcha's, and even if I did you wouldn't be the first target, by a long shot. I agree with most of your posts, and even if I didn't you seem to be a model of clarity and common sense.

    The reason I posted as I did is that while you clearly see what you were referring to happening, any time I see an objective discussion on anything that might be trans-related e.g. the supreme court decision, men in women's sports etc, I see a fair amount of "they want to take away trans rights" or "they want to stop trans kids from participating in sports". There's a lot of misrepresenting going on, and when queried on it the posters in question usually brand the questioner as transphobic, take their ball and run away, or both. I'm not referring to you btw with that last sentence.

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