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4 bikes on roof rails experience

  • 02-06-2025 09:17PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    I wanted to transport 4 bikes, 2 adult, 2 kids with the kids getting bigger with age. Looked at rear window mount. One brand claims it's possible on rear window but cycle shop advised against and it may damage rear spoiler or break rear glass. It may also not be possible to access boot when bikes fitted.

    Shop recommended towbar based 4 carrier. However my car has no tow rating, it might be possible as towbars exist, but I asked about roof rails. Guy in shop said it should be ok. I checked my vehicle paper book which says 100kG maximum on roof evenly spread. I already had a matching roof rack, beware there are lots of different types of mounting systems and you need one that matches your car. Roof rails come in many variations. Most websites have a look up feature but visually check it matches your car. It was a tight fit and I went on the cheap end. I had to shorten the threaded bolts by cutting them with a junior hacksaw, otherwise they would have impacted on car roof. I used a blanket to protect the roof when test fitting and sliding the rack over.

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    Above, not my set up, towbar option

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    Showing rear boot could be fully opened

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    System after test fitting but before actual use.

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    Blanket used to protect roof during fitting. The longer threads were cut shorter using a junior hacksaw saw.

    Main 2 issues are having to climb up high to fit the bikes, a small step stool helped but still far from ideal.

    Minor issue is bikes can touch each other especially if one is small next to a big one. I strapped the pedals to prevent movement. In some configurations it may not be possible to fit 4 bikes due to handle bars hitting other bike etc.

    Other issue is risk of wrecking the car if your bikes collide with a low entrance such as multi storey car park, barrier over entrance to normal car park like many shopping centres and woods etc. Also an issue on toll roads car only lanes with height restrictions. Even overhanging trees in housing estates. I hand wrote a big warning sign and stuck it to my dash to remind me!

    In summary the towbar mount systems are probably better but total cost may be far higher

    I used nordrive branded roof rails which are on the cheap end of things but better quality than Halfords own brand. I purchased extra straps from Amazon for peace of mind. The nordrive are max 15Kg per bike and car roof is max average 25Kg, so electric assist bikes would be too heavy, and even trying to lift them on to roof would be very difficult.

    Wind noise was surprisingly low, but I did not feel comfortable over 100km/h especially with strong side winds. I could hear the straps tap against the car. More expensive systems have better non flappy straps.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


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    I did the same with five bikes, 3 adult and 2 kids size. I was also using those Nordrive carriers. It was a very tight fit and involved adjusting saddle heights and handle bar heights to get them all to fit. It took the guts of an hour each time to get them up. A bit quicker to get them down.

    I only carried five bikes for a couple of longer holidays, so it was worth the effort. It would be too frustrating to do for a day trip. I used one of these to avoid having to carry a footstool around.

    https://www.tooenjoy.com/products_detail/7.html

    We kept to 90 km/h and tried to avoid twisty roads, because I was most worried about lateral movements. It got us there and back safely but I probably wouldn't try it again. The underlying worry that it might not hold made for a slightly less relaxing holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 brogiebears


    I put 4 bikes the roof a bit - Use Thule 598's and 1 591. Mix of kids and adults bikes. I've no issues with them and drive 120km etc and on all types of road. Lightest bikes go in the middle, and my car is high up. Wouldn't fit 5! Key for me was getting the right mix of bikes - every new bike means a play in placing the bikes. Some of the bikes are 20kg but as I'm under the roof load I've never really given it much concern



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    The roof load being defined in kg only was one aspect that worried me. If I put 100 kg of stuff in a roof box the centre of gravity of the load is only a few centimetres above the roof of the car. It's also very stably secured.

    If I've got 100kg of bikes on the roof the centre of gravity is much higher. The forces that can be applied are completely different to those on a shallow streamlined roof box and the stability of the load is much less certain. I had visions of the lateral forces on five bikes when cornering ripping the anchors from the roof rails out of the roof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Definitely the wind loading especially side winds is much higher than a roof box. I encountered strong side gusts and I could feel the car leaning further than it would without bikes. Thankfully I was home before the main storm hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭g0g


    Bumping this thread to ask a similar question. I have 4 x 598 racks. As can be seen in sample image below, the front of each rack (bottom in image) has a bit of a bulge on the left for the curve of the clamp base. Current setup is around 88cm between front and rear rack and I have around 103cm of width to use. What's the consensus on best way to manage things?

    1. If I go RFRF (Reverse/Forward/Reverse/Forward) from left to right then the inner racks are so hard to manage as the clamp locks face each other.
    2. FRFR pushes the problem to the outside - you are instead reaching backwards on the outer racks that are most frequently used
    3. RRFF I think is what I did last year so on both sides the bikes face outwards, but the annoying clamp bulge means the racks aren't straight
    4. ChatGPT suggested I try FFFF for best aerodynamics - I then discovered that the clamps can be swapped sides - so you'd have them all facing outwards in terms of locking etc, but all 4 clamp bulges are in the same place so width becomes a problem.
    5. Last consideration is staggering. If I moved the room racks closer like maybe 70cm can I push every second rack forwards/backwards a little?

    I'm also making sure to do other things like rotate handlebars for transport and lower saddles etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭g0g


    May have found my answer on YouTube in the meantime? So RFRF with the clamps reversed on the middle 2?

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