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Defamation Cases - does the jury decide the amount of award, or is it the judge?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thanks to the BBC he has another 100,000 to replenish those pockets.

    I’ve no interest in speculation. For every theory you can find an opposite one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Just like Gerry, Always veering away from the hard questions. Would you rather chat about the teapot in the cabinet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don’t have any answers to those questions. Nobody does. Plenty of theories and scant proof. Which explains why he hasn’t been found guilty.
    I struggle, like many, to care whether he was in the IRA or not. It isn’t going to undo the conflict/war tragedy.

    I want what many want, a full truth recovery process where ALL combatants are open and transparent about what was done. One-sided truth recovery is pointless .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Who is/was Coronel (sic) O'Connell?

    Maybe you meant Daniel O'Connell? He was in the GPO, no?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    It's Ian Phoenix. There was only one Chinook, and it crashed on its outward journey. Mistakes like these do your credibility no favours.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    .…

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Files in Dublin Castle?. What year/period/century are you 'researching' again?

    How many tours have you done (apart from the Peace Walls one, obviously)?

    I'm not a fan of Jarry, but I dislike bullshit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Your ignorance of the law doesn't surprise me in the least, Frankie baby.

    Since the Defamation Act (NI) was passed in 2022, juries no longer sit in defamation cases; that's probably why the gold digger took his case in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I now realise that both you and Supa, while passionate about your opinion are rather under-researched and kneejerky as a result. You can have a jury in a NI case if the court so decides. It's there in the legislation you quoted but clearly didn't read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    I was keeping things simple so you wouldn't get confused, Frankie.

    But - as you appear to enjoy digging holes for yourself (and who could blame you with so much spare time on your hands?) - allow me to clarify that in Dublin, one is entitled to a jury in a defamation case, whereas in the UK, it's at the discretion of the judge; and the default is no jury. Got it?

    Feel free to drop me a line if you want any more help with this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because it was possible to have a jury in NI, I included it. Hence the perfectly factual option I offered you - 'jury/judge', the stroke meaning 'or'.

    When you get your head around actual facts and stop distracting yourself thinking about your next edgy insult, get back to me.

    Seems Jean McConville's daughter thinks the judicial system and her chance's are the same in NI as in Dublin. You clearly disagree with this as you have stated that Dublin juries are the most pliable - yes?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    No, My mistake Col James Heffernon was in charge. It appears that an Army captain James Kelly went AWOL all on his own without his superiors knowing about. James Kelly was discharged from the Army and Haughey tried to get him a number in Dept of Agriculture but there were political complaints about it. Sorry got confused with Colonel Pat Collins .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well I am trying to remember from over 30 years ago. Guess I am going to have to dig out the books on "Phoenix Policing the Shadows" Jack Holland & Susan Phoenix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    There are still offices in Dublin Castle I believe. I have never been on a "Tour of Duty", never have or ever have been member of any intelligence service, police, or anything like that. Much more interested in psychological side of being able to set one community up against eachother without them realising who is actually pulling the strings. You may correct me on minor details but the general story is fairly true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You do know that if you believe what you read in certain types of books that you are typically the one who is having their strings pulled?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I usually believe government papers are fairly accurate (the ones released after 30-100 years). I usually believe that once a politician starts talking they are immediately lying. Except for the Irish ones, they are completely avoiding the questions with misdirection. I read all books on all sides, being neutral it gives you that luxury to be open minded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    You obviously know next to nothing about the Arms Crisis.

    It's Colonel Michael Hefferon, not 'Col James Heffernon'.

    Captain James Kelly was not AWOL (a ludicrous thing to claim!). He reported to his superior (Hefferon) and to the Minister of Defence (Jim Gibbons), both of whom were aware of his activities and approved of them.

    And who the hell is Colonel Pat Collins, never mind the Col O'Connell you mistook for this Col Collins?

    Between this, the Chinook crash, and the files in Dublin Castle, I'm afraid your credibility is low.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I would have read a little about it. I never said he was AWOL, please read again, "it appears". Then Why did Captain Kelly pick up most of the blame if he was acting under orders. No Col. Tim Collins is another matter entirely and I never reference him or any of his activities.

    You are entire welcome to your opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,149 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    You just said now Col Pat Collins was who you meant when you said 'Col O'Connell first.

    Now Pat Collins has morphed into Tim Collins? I can't keep up, and itr seems neither can you.

    I have no intention of trying to educate you further on the Arms Crisis. There are a number of good books on the subject. It seems you haven't even read the Wikipedia article, which would have given you a modicum of knowledge on the subject.

    Capt Kelly resigned by the way.

    Icing on the cake- Gerry Adams was never First Minister...

    Not your ornery onager



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    And here endeth the Legal Discussion end of things.



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