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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Its a difficult sell to pay hard earned money to attend the SG this and last season ,exposed to the elements (behind the goals) and watch the same gameplan every week leading to the same results each week, never mind watching them on TV.

    It must be asked - are the guys from academy(ready firstly)& the less expensive option than buying in cover?

    They gave the crowd nothing to cheer hence less and less turned up.

    can only go upwards from here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I think there's an element of adapting to the reduced fixture list. We paid six senior players to play less than 80 minutes this season - Lasisi, McBurney, McCormack, Reilly, Smith, and Porch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Sorry forgot to post this:

    https://all.rugby/transfers/connacht

    Mc Burney, Smith and Porch left…

    Porch started 5 TOP 14 games in France and racked up 400 min by end of season. HE played on a side that beat Toulon and lost to a La Rochelle side by 1 point. He was treated pretty bad by Wilkins… Really deserves to be picked up.

    Smith did the same, found any place else to be than in Connacht cause he was in the fridge in Connacht.. Played in two champions cup games and got a renewal..

    Lasisi is 24 which is young for a prop and doesn't have international like Finlay giving up time while on International duty…

    McCormack is the question when you consider Oliver isn't back for next season… Oliver is generally a 1000 min a season guy, SHL was eating into that but he still racked up 600 min while being int he fridge for 6 months last season. Mc Cormack has take up that slack, SHL doesn't go on internationals so he will have to fight for every minute..

    Reilly is a really good rugby player in Connacht's most competitive area… He is on a long term injury (I think). Say he is retained because Connacht don't think they are keeping all their SHs… Devine and Murphy in the one club considering age profile and ambitions doesn't make sense….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Oliver, Smith, McBurney and Porch are all decent players but we will probably not miss them too much. No disrespect intended to good guys.

    Sometimes it's not a tragedy when players move in it's just pro sport.

    Oliver was a senior player when he signed his last contract, he's been overtaken as a starter by SHL and our style of play has changed a bit and not in his favour. The reality is he was probably worth 30% less to us and other options were cheaper. It's business.

    If Oliver tears it up somewhere then fair play to him but it doesn't make it the wrong decision.

    Kilgallen was the right decision for Connacht, good player but we haven't missed him. Smith was the right decision for Smith we haven't missed him.

    We missed Farrell but you can't get them all right. Remember someone let everyone of our recruited players go otherwise they wouldn't be here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭kita99


    Connacht must keep Devine because he is excellent tackler as same as Dupont and Connacht-grown. And I expect three new comers this year (Treacy, West, J.Devine). Especially West, If escaped nasty injury, I think he would appeared in senior match already because he has some good rugby sense like Treacy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭AccidentallyOnside


    Delighted to see West get a contract, looked good any time I've seen him (very few TBF), would probably have seen minutes at u20s most years but had Prendergast in front of him. Has all the attributes to fit in at FB so really hope he sees some decent minutes. Have spoken to a few people that have known him since his school days and they said he's a cracking young lad too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,056 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    With only 2 full-time out-halves, I'd imagine there will be time for others this season through injury or rotation.

    Is Hawkshaw still an out-half these days or has that ship sailed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Maybe they are going to give Sean Naughton a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Very fair points.. I still annoyed about Farrell, could see that all he needed was a small bit of luck on injury… I have the same feeling about Smith, think he is going to mature very well..

    Porch is annoying as we kept very little cover for FB and treated him pretty poorly… I suppose we let him get a shop window in France which he did use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭AccidentallyOnside


    West is down as back three player, would imagine he's a use in case of emergency at 10 like Hawkshaw is. The best performances we've seen from Hawkshaw have always been in the center so I doubt we'll see him there much.

    We also need to accept that playing 10 for Connacht is a very, very tough gig; constantly playing behind a beaten pack, very little go forward ball, usually in some pretty terrible conditions. It's not a great place to be introducing a young players.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well the beaten pack is down to coaching and we've moved on to a new coaching staff so hopefully that won't be such a big issue anymore.

    When you look at who we've got there is no good reason for them to be that bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭tobdom




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Interesting read on the premiership salary cap and player incomes.

    https://media-cdn.cortextech.io/b64ee24f-dd74-4648-a7a2-47ea3f4c3559.pdf

    No surprise that all the nasty little mouthy hobbits get paid the least 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    I'm actually very surprised by that. Considering how important a position it is I'd have expected them to be much higher up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,312 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    From RugbyPass today.

    Former Ireland centre and Lions tourist Jared Payne, who is an assistant coach with URC rivals the Scarlets, has emerged as the new favourite to take over as Connacht boss.

    New Zealand-born Payne, 39, moved into coaching with Ulster in 2018 after being forced into retirement when he failed to recover from an injury suffered on the 2017 Lions tour to his homeland.

    He spent a year working in France for Clermont Auvergne after leaving Ulster in 2022 and was placed in interim charge when Jono Gibbes left, and he is known to be highly thought of by IRFU performance director David Humphreys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭lavrenti


    Limited Head Coach experience and we saw where that got us with Wilkins. He could surprise us all I guess. Don't like the idea of him getting the job coz he's a mate of Humphreys, who has been a walking disaster in all of his decision making since taking over from Nucifora. We should be breaking the bank to bring Lancaster in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    I really like the Scarlets attack and I think he's by all accounts a very good coach and well regarded by the players. Had we not signed Rod Seib and we were signing Jared as our backs coach id be 100% happy no actually id be ecstatic.

    My main issue around the head Coach roles is that it appears we are unable to meet the financial demands of guys who have the necessary experience so we then have to take a small gamble on guys on the way up ( hopefully).

    I would prefer that type of appointment than a guy looking for a coaching life raft.

    Still think Dan Mc would be a good fit but I'd happily get on board with Jared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭briandebum


    Whether or not he turns out to be a good coach (And he could be good, who knows!), if they go for Payne it reeks of a terrible hiring process again. Going for guys familiar with the Irish system as opposed to just looking for the best coaching fit for Connacht rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    We don't really know the extent of the hiring process and are unlikely to ever know. But to assume it's a botched process because we don't know is a little tin hat imo.

    I believe that there are a lot of highly committed people working for both the irfu and Connacht who have far more skin in the game than any of us fans. I think they will do the very best they can to get the best candidate they can afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    I would like to see it resolved as soon as possible though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Well Scarlets are doing well with a reduced squad and budget. Payne is part of that coaching team. It just might be a good fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 2025Connacht


    Theres highly committed people working in every job it doesn't mean they are best placed to make important decisions.

    My worry is there's people involved in the decision making process who previously thought that Wilkins on a 3 year deal was good business. By all accounts it didn't seem as though much effort was put into casting the net wide when that decision was made.

    Regardless of how tight our budget was it was pretty obvious to the ordinary fan that Wilkins wasn't going to work out in a head coach role. Giving him the job at all was disappointing. As a stop gap maybe it was understandable but giving him a three year deal was madness.

    For me it looks like there's good work going on identifying under the radar signings and academy prospects in Connacht but until we give these lads a proper structure to realise their potential we will continue to have more frustrating seasons like the one just gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    "Theres highly committed people working in every job it doesn't mean they are best placed to make important decisions."

    Who do you suggest should make the decision so if not the highly committed people who work for the organizations involved?

    There's no guarantee of success in a hiring process. Anyone who has ever hired through any process knows it's a lottery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 2025Connacht


    I suggest that the record of recruiting coaches in recent times has been poor so evaluating who is making the recruitment decisions would be sensible.

    We can't afford to get the next decision wrong. Hopefully Millard coming in is a sign we have learned some lessons and we will have some kind of structure as to how we do our coaching recruitment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Has Humphreys got an input in who we take on now? It would be ridiculous if he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Tipp1991




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    We actually have a reasonable record of recruiting and retaining coaches.

    Lamb, McFarland, Carolan, Duffy and Friend have all been very good appointments.

    Granted we have a few in the other side of the ledger (ahem Keane) as well but it's unlikely we get it right all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 2025Connacht


    A lot of those appointments are going back over a decade. McFarland is gone for over a decade. There was lots of success stories around then coaching wise but of late we have at best a mixed record in recruitment and a terrible record in retention of coaches.

    We undoubtedly made some good appointments in more recent times too like Senekal and we brought through coaches from the academy like Mossie Lawlor but they didn't wait around long.

    Some of our coaches are promising given the right setup as shown by Ulster being willing to snap up Mark Sexton but it seems that promising coaches don't feel they can realise their potential at Connacht which is a problem.

    Yet again this summer is a revolving door of coaches as has become the norm of late.

    Teams with continuity within their setup are invariably the teams that are most successful but we enter next season once again in transition hoping that we hit the ground running rather than having any confidence we will.

    Like you say every appointment is a gamble and every team gets some wrong but with every gamble you make you want to reduce the risk of it being a failure as much as you can.

    When the ordinary supporter knows that an appointment is going to be a failure and you give that head coach a 3 year deal, it would be foolish to think that the current recruitment process doesn't needs to be reviewed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    My club decides whose the coach. Every AIL club decides whose the top man.

    Did the IRFU decide that Leo Cullen would be Leinster's head coach? I don't think so.

    So tell me why the Connacht board shouldn't decide on the coach? Who picked Wilkins? Whoever it was should be sacked.



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