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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Good choice, Former Minister, good understanding of the law, never did anything too controversial but too old? Maybe missed his chance and also Labour since Joan Burton have had serious wilderness years. Sinn Fein have taken their vote. Jobsbridge is still very strong in the memory of many voters especially teachers. I mean Moses wasnt that badly lost in the desert for 40 years as Labour are.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: A number of warnings given and below standard posts deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    No. She lost her only bid for a Dáil seat and was never a Senator so she could never have been offered even a Ministerial position and was never in the running for party leader (did Simon even pick up the phone to her the night FG made him Taoiseach? Phil Hogan was certainly in the loop).

    Not a snowball's of being our first female Taoiseach. MLMD missed that boat in 2020 and I'm sorry to say that I don't see any likely candidate in the current Dáil.

    But Mairead is a top-class media campaigner. Professional to her fingertips. Super well prepared. Big vote getter in EP elections. Should have got the top job in the EP. She won't step on any landmines (watch her side-step Gaza). But Sean Kelly could spoil her hopes once more - she missed out in 2011 to Gay Mitchell and FG are prone to missing an open goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If she is as popular as some say that she might win the presidency she would have a good chance of being elected as a TD now.
    We'll see what she does, but I am not sure she is ready for the Aras just yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Personal ambition?
    I have no idea if she wants it BTW and not claiming that. Just an opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I just assume if she had any ambition to be a TD she would have run in any of the previous elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Maybe.
    We'll see what happens I suppose.

    I see SF sources have ruled out Adams running now too.

    Sinn Féin sources this weekend said that even though they believe the former party leader’s reputation has now been restored, he will not be running in the race for the Áras later this year.

    Sinn Féin members have been asked by party headquarters for their ideas on how the party should approach the presidential election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    John Lee says Mary Hanafin wants the FF nomination. There is little enthusiasm in the party but FF can't stand aside and they won't play second fiddle to FG. Cynthia Ní Mhurchú might be a better bet if she can bury her associations with RTE and Eurovision. "Stars" like Joe Duffy are non-runners now after the RTE scandals. Frances Black is "98%" out of the running.

    It is absurd that we will have all our elections - local, EP, general and Presidential - within 16 months of each other (not the mention those useless referendums). Most likely, there'll be no nation-wide election until we repeat the dose in 2029, except for the Presidential, scheduled for 2032 which may be another shoo-in for the incumbent.

    Apart from the absence of any electoral test to take the national temperature for the next five years, the parties blew their budgets in 2024 and will struggle to finance a run for the Aras.

    https://extra.ie/2025/06/01/news/politics/mary-vs-cynthia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,414 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nick "Make Crime Illegal" Delahanty with his illegal election posters is saying he's running. There's going to be some level of clown show at council meetings trying to wheedle nominations, which I suspect there'll be none of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    NNot Yet,but I dont see her running,theres too many skeletons in her closet,links with the Assad regime,pally with Daly and Wallace,also not really supporting Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,755 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    No thanks. Wasn't he yet another failed Minister for Health. Never liked him anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    For a man who was on the political scene for so long there'd be a huge part of the electorate (younger voters) asking 'who?'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,755 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He wouldn't get many voted from the older voters either imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Howlin would be doing well to get a strong vote from Labour supporters, never mind anybody else. A cantankerous individual who was never very popular, even in his own ranks. And another thoroughly unsuitable candidate who could precipitate a constitutional crisis or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    There is little doubt that Hanafin wants the nomination, she was never shy about overestimating her ability and appeal. She hasn’t a snowballs chance in hell of being nominated by FF (Martin detests her and it’s entirely mutual) and even less chance of winning in a popular vote against a credible candidate. I doubt there is anybody in the party apart from herself who’d want to see her on the ticket. And for the avoidance of doubt she is entirely unsuited to the role anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    It's amazing how short Irish political memories are.

    Howlin was in national politics for 40 years, a senior Minister in the 1990s, a key player in the FG/LAB Government and then leader of the Labour Party from 2016 - 2020. But even older voters would struggle to name a single fact about him except his career. As a Presidential candidate, he would be ham-strung by his role in the Troika austerity budgets.

    I think Ivan is just stirring a Wexford pot.

    Name a single retired politician who would be a viable Presidential candidate? Bertie will never be nominated, still less Mary Hanafin.The further from political office, the better for Presidential candidates ( Like the two Marys and Sean Gallagher until be was exposed as an FF'er)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Hanafin wouldn't be a wise choice at all for FF. The electorate would be reminded on day 1 about her, as Minister for Education, taking the parents of kids with autism to court because they didn't want to provide ABA (which is now widely available). She also gave FF cronies various roles which would be thrown at her in any debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Amazing that FG are seen as "the party to beat" in this race despite being hammered in the last two general elections and in the last competitive Presidential election.

    Fine Gael got 21% in the general election but only one-third of those votes (7%) are dependable party voters, based on the Electoral Commission survey. As Gay Mitchell discovered, that's a weak foundation for a Presidential campaign. FG have a bigger problem - no one associated with the Troika/austerity era or with social conservatism (opposed same-sex marriage and/or repeal of the 8th.) will win the Áras. That's also why Blue Shirts have never won the Áras.

    The successful candidate this year will minimise their association with the party nominating them while benefiting from their organisational capabilities. McGregor may have destroyed the chances of real "outsider" candidates. The local Councils have more Independents than ever - a majority in few cases - and most Councillors enjoyed nominating Presidential candidates (a rare political prerogative for them) but I think McGregor has single-handedly destroyed that openness among local politicians which was based on the valid principle of "let the people decide".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,414 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The number of independent councillors marginally fell last year, and not one council has a majority of independents. A few have a third, but that's as high as it goes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Presidential candidates are more based on their individual character rather than their party though. And there's no obvious candidate from outside FG, at the moment, that looks like challenging. Maybe/hopefully that will change.

    As for the council route: if FF and FG nominate a candidate and tell their councillors not to nominate, then I believe that route is blocked off due to numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,444 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Howlin is a well respected parliamentarian, but honestly, he's as dull as dishwater when it comes to charisma and the personal touch. He'd be a terrible choice for Labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    There is no obvious candidate anywhere. Which individual politician could win >50% of the votes based on their character or record?

    FG will probably nominate Mairead McGuinness who is a very capable campaigner and proven vote winner but what are her achievements after a long career?

    The Council route was barred in the distant past by the two major parties but their embargo was broken by Dana in 1997 and there have been many such nominations since. All local authorities got in on the act in 2018 and they nominated four candidates, one of whom got a larger share of the national vote than any party in the last general election.

    The problem now is that, because no decent Councillor would go near Conor McGregor, Councils will be a reluctant to run the beauty pageants / primaries which we saw in 2018.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    If only for the fact that he ruled himself out, Micheál Martin would have been a good choice. Same with Leo Varadkar who doesn't seem to have any future political ambitions at all.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I would agree about Micheal Martin, but Leo doesn't have the charisma or skills that are necessary for the president imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Martin is many things but stupid isn't one of them. The potential for a complete disaster running for President so soon after leading FF would be incredibly high.

    He is at least two presidential terms away from having a shot I would think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I reckon Martin will never go for president. If this election was in say 2 years time he could have stepped down as Taoiseach and FF leader as planned then a few months later, while still directly involved in politics, run for president. The fact he's likely going to be gone as a TD (probably) for 3ish years for the next presidential election (assuming dail runs to 2029) and he'd be up against an incumbent president likely rules 2032 out, and he'd be in his late 70s if he waited until 2039 tells me he won't ever run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Peter Casey only jumped in popularity after he was nominated due to his comments on travellers, welfare payments etc which i think is the main reason parties will have a far sterner leash on their councilors to not let something like that happen again, that coupled with the more recent mcgregor nonsense is why we wont get a council nomination i reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Peter Casey plans to run again and to spend the max. (€750K, an arbitrary limit set in 2011 when it bought a lot more). I think he will get the necessary nominations because party discipline won't apply - FG will nominate its own party candidate but the other parties will look to climb aboard any bandwagon with momentum. There are plenty of Councils where Independents are the largest grouping. Casey would do even better this year if he is the leading "anti-establishment" candidate though I can't see him winning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If we assume that Fianna Fail and Fine Gael impose a block on their councillors (and the suggestion is they will - was discussed a while back on either an Irish Times Political podcast or a Matt Cooper/Ivan Yates podcast) then any council with a combined majority of those 2 parties can be excluded. This leaves 10 possible councils. I think we can exclude Kerry immediately, adding the 3 Health Rae councillors puts them over the 50% mark with the government parties.

    This leaves 9 councils, so possibly 2 candidates getting a nomination. The councils are:

    1. Cork City
    2. Donegal
    3. Dublin City
    4. Fingal
    5. Galway City
    6. Louth
    7. South Dublin
    8. Waterford City
    9. Wicklow

    However, if Sinn Fein also nominate a candidate and block their councillors from nominating (wouldn't be surprising) you're only left with 4 open councils: Dublin City, Fingal, South Dublin and Wicklow.

    Looking at the other parties with seats on those councils, it'd be surprising if a concensus candidate came out of any of those councils, let alone the same candidate from all 4.

    This is on the assumption that party discipline holds. If it doesnt, maybe we'll get a bunch of council nominees. I just don't see it.



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