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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Where will we house them? Irish people won't agree to it if it means the housing crisis gets worse.

    Step one should be to prioritise Irish natives for housing. Especially homeless and young people wanting to move out from their parents. There's hundreds of thousands who need this.

    When Irish natives are no longer in a housing crisis we might be more open to the idea of the mass immigration that would be need to change the shape of our population pyramid.

    And I say May because there's a lot of evidence we want to keep natives as the majority on this island for cultural reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    As we have seen in every other European country that went down this road. The end result is that far right parties are growing hugely. Fifty percent of French voters are voting for LePenn and the ADF is poling above 30% in Germany. This would have seemed impossible twenty or even ten years ago and yet the left continues to push for low skilled and low education mass immigration. The irony here being that these people hate them.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    What “golden era”? We went poor/boom/bust/boom and now we’re about to bust again.

    During the booms the country is unaffordable. Worst golden era ever

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    I find it ironic that you can ask a question like that yet label people that don't share your ideology as "Far Right Zombies"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    What has been happening for the last decade? We've been using immigration for all those things you say. It's making things worse.

    Time to stop.

    It's not working.

    Those who forewarned that it wouldn't work were tarnished as far right and racist. Turns out they were correct. It's high time those who pedaled the far right and racist tropes apologised for their sanctimonious bullology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The pension timebomb hasnt happened yet. We are still probably 15 to 20 years out from it.

    We will need to bring in workers to take up jobs before that happens.

    Thats not the same thing as saying we should just bring 1000s of people here for no reason, its about allowing immigration to help us through a skills gap - same as every other country does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    It's not pleasant or in keeping with our modern day standards but this is a serious matter where many lives of vulnerable people are lost. Migration is also a weapon of war for some dictators that wish to destabilize the West, I have no doubt that Russia is facilitating this somehow. I personally think that it would save so many innocent lives that it would be worth it. I'm not sure that is quite 'murder' but I get where you're coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    We’re at full employment, let’s take workers we need from the EU and if necessary further afield on work visas, no need to try and house the worlds poor who won’t be paying anyones pension



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    It was mentioned earlier in this discussion (a few pages back) that we have taken in multiples the amount of immigrants versus the skills shortage requirements.

    Deliveroo drivers, etc… are not a skills shortage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Mid 80s to late nighties was Ireland's golden years. There was still good music being made, the country had hope, life was improving, people were happy. We were still Ireland, we were still unique, we embraced being modern and European, thinking we were part of some friendly club where everyone had eachother's backs, where we could celebrate eachothers individualities. Little did we know that faceless bureaucrats had other ideas, and we would all be made embrace mass migration and multiculturalism at the expense of existing values and cultures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Our golden era ended in 2008. We had 1 opportunity as a nation to achieve a golden age of prosperity but we squandered it. 17 years later we've not recovered and find ourselves in a social/housing/immigration crisis.

    There is no way out of this now it seems. Our golden age is over. Maybe our grandkids will live old enough to see another. I wish I hadn't seen one at least then my expectations would be set a lot lower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    It's par for the course for those with a particular political leaning to lash out with name calling - they do this because quite simply deep down they know their counter-arguments are illogical and nonsensical. It serves to deflect from the deficiencies in the policies they believe in - immature student union politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    UK secretary of defense have declared they've lost control of their borders. We should probably do likewise. If the UK declare an emergency and put appropriate measures in place we're going to see another massive migration from the UK here. Our government need to get one step ahead of the UK.

    https://news.sky.com/story/britain-has-lost-control-of-its-borders-defence-secretary-tells-sky-news-13377622



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭jackboy


    That only works if we have jobs and industries for these people to work in. The multinationals are critical but I suspect we are at the peak of that and it will be difficult to prevent a decline.

    Agriculture is a strategic industry which is under pressure and we are going in the direction of large scale industrial farms with more automation and less workforce.

    The tourism industry has been damaged by the asylum seeker industry and governments who don't care about it. Recovery will be difficult and may not happen.

    So, I don't expect lots of jobs will be available in the future for these immigrants to work in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    While I think the problems of demographic decline is somewhat overblown, those that propose high immigration as the solution to it, still need to explain how their solution is sustainable. Where are the people, for example, in a time of chronic housing shortage, supposed to live. And if we're to build housing to house those immigrants, what is the cost of that going to be and how will that impact the pensions pot that we're supposedly concerned about?

    Also can those who are concerned about population decline give some examples of where in the developed world there has been an actual collapse of society?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Not to mention it just begins a never ending cycle of needing more immigrants indefinitely. When the huge number of immigrants + natives get old you'll then need even more immigrants to look after them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Yes, not enough hospital beds, more immigrants needed. Because of these extra immigrants, there's a lack of school places for their children, so more immigration is needed to supply teachers. This extra immigration leads to lack of houses for them to live in so more immigrants are needed to build houses. These extra immigrants building mean more hospital beds need to be provided so more immigrants are needed to do that.

    Totally sustainable!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Also worth mentioning that every AS who shows up here can access the health service and get legal representation and we the taxpayers of this country are paying for all that.

    Not much we can do to stop AS arriving here but it's about time the government got their act together and ramp up the number of deportations because at the moment it seems to be only one way traffic.

    It's nonsense to suggest that poorly educated men from third world countries with little or no English will be any benefit to this country

    Yet we have the likes of Brid Smith saying they can be used to solve the housing crises.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Juran


    "It's nonsense to suggest that poorly educated men from third world countries with little or no English will be any benefit to this country

    Yet we have the likes of Brid Smith saying they can be used to solve the housing crises."

    Couldnt agree more. If anyone thinks that AS's and/or unskilled persons can work as a roofers, bricklayers, site prep person laying concrete foundations, etc just like that, well thry need their heads examined. Sure if it were that simple, we,d all be building our own homes, extensions and house upgrades, and not hiring professional, skilled and trained builders !

    I havent seen or read or heard of any complusory building training schemes for immigrants who become citizens but are still on welfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    Brid Smith wasn't the only one talking nonsense. In a televised debate running up the the general election, Helen McEntee came up with this pearl of wisdom: "We actually need more people to come here to help build our houses"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If the jobs arent available then the working migrants wont come.

    Asylum seekers are not the same thing as working migrants.

    Remember that there will be increased demand for healthcare workers and services as our population ages and those jobs wont be replaced by AI so easily.

    We will still need to bring in some labour because so many of us will be retiring and then relying on state services. We will need people to fill those roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes, unfortunately Helen has high ambition and low intelligence, a very dangerous combination for a politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We still have skills shortages in almost every sector.

    Healthcare, construction, bus drivers, teachers, nurses, doctors, dentists...the list goes on.

    The shortage will be much more actute in 15 years times, when more irish people retire than will be entering the workforce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I know. Those kinds of people (the poster) will be the death of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    If we need workers to stop the pensions timebomb, why do we see almost zero innovative or impactful proposals to encourage existing working Irish people (or non Irish here) to have kids?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Not even a single suggestion of anything in this regard. Just take everybody from all over the world and hope for the best as it's going swimmingly in the rest of Europe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Which I'm turn creates a big demand for even more lawyers and healthcare professionals to look after these needs.



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