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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,382 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Very hard to take her serious on anything especially after her previous support for Assad regime in Syria. She appears to be just a bit more subtle compared to Wallace and Vomit but with the "morally corrupt EU" the mask is slipping.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A great lady. Very intelligent and doesn't mince her words.

    Notice how Israel are doing all these things at once to muddy the waters so much that the international community don't know what to address (shoot at UN peacekeepers, bomb Gaza, shoot starving Gazans at aid stations, announce more illegal settlements etc). They are just assholes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Oh please is that all you got? You haven't even mentioned the people of Gaza but jumped in on Connolly. I have educated your lot on her thoughts around Syria/Assad in the past within the Presidential election thread. FFG folks dislike Connolly because she is a very smart woman and not afraid to speak out. Do you want me to repeat her Dail comments on Syria/Assad here?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I’m not the biggest fan of either Micheal Martin or especially Simon Harris, and of course you can argue that they could do more. However, we seem to be ahead of most European countries, (just look next door to the UK) and both of them have now used the G word. You can bet Keir Starmer won’t be doing that anytime soon. So I’ll give them some credit here. The fact that we have really gotten under the Israelis skins shows we must be doing something right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    In some ways I agree but we seem to have taken a lead in the criticism and then stalled. We don't seem to have taken any concrete actions and I'd like to see stronger words at the EU and UN. The EU should not be sending arms to those IDF pricks. We are way too nice saying things like the shots fired at UN peacekeepers today are "unacceptable". They were shots fired by a rogue state led by corrupt/evil leaders in order to provoke and intimidate us and distract from the genocide that the superpowers are letting happen. Let's call that out.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    they’re all at the political grandstanding! Stinks of insincerity. All wanting to be seen as the most outraged!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Didn't you recently say that Trump was absolutely right to criticise and ridicule Zelensky in the Oval office because he didn't wear a suit? Was that not real grandstanding? Connolly is one of the most sincere people in the Dail. Other shallower TDs fear her because of it. And we all know Harris is all about image.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yes. I said that. Not a clue as to its relevance to the post I made above…

    I never said he was right to “ridicule” anyone..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I added that Connolly is one of the most sincere people in the Dail. Other shallower TDs fear her because of it. And we all know Harris is all about image.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,382 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Here is my previous comments on Gaza in this thread.

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    When you go on with this "your lot" rubbish I have no interest in anything else you have to say.

    She voted against sanctions on the Assad regime after her holiday in Syria. I don't see why I can't point that out and call her a hypocrite if I wish to do so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I saw your edit. Anyway, I see it as nothing but grandstanding by the bloody lot a them. All fighting to show who “cares” the most.. and very very little mention of the hostages still being held. It was all just bash Israel bash Israel.. like how this thread has become



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Connolly is just a more palatable version of Wallace and Daly. West bad, Assad etc good. I find it hard to take seriously anyone who would defend the Asaad regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I wouldn't be surprised at all if the IDF attack on Irish Peacekeepers was totally deliberate given that today is International Day of UN Peacekeepers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I'm sure your an honest poster, and I don't even know who that politician is btw so you could be right, but almost everything you post in this thread is sneering people who are speaking out about what's going on.

    Just because you don't have a care for what's happening in Palestine, can you not accept that some people do? Do you really think images of kids being blown up or starved doesn't or shouldn't move people? It has for as long as I've been alive, particularly in Ireland. We don't go seeking this stuff out, what is happening over there is in our faces every night, it's unavoidable.

    Why do you always label people speaking out on this as grandstanding / virtue signalling / insincere? Is this the only topic you do this on - is it the same on the Ukraine thread?

    I also never see you call the actual people supporting this genocide, who are actively and consistently lying, insincere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I know you defended her to the hilt on another thread even after her support for Assad was pointed out to you. So selective and hypocritical reasoning from her is acceptable to you once she hates Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As discussed previously in the last week or so, this thread is not about bashing Israel.

    Most here are simply against War Crimes and Genocide.

    That it is Israel perpetrating it is purely coincidental (but not surprising).

    Of course, there are those who support and justify the murder and starvation of civilians - but they also call it "Israel bashing".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    when you have a heap a opposition politicians claiming we as a country are facilitating genocide (based off some poxy bank bonds), yes, I will call that out as a crock a Sh1t, and grandstanding. And disgraceful.

    This thread has descended into who can post the most stuff that portrays Israel as evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,839 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it pretty much how this thread has descended..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There are "war bonds" in the mix too. Hence the outrage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Simon Harris made that point today. But Catherine Connolly apparently can cry louder than Simon for some!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Nope she has criticised Assad and his murderous regime countless times including in the Dail several times. It's on record. Nice try though. I will post links tomorrow. YouTube them yourself if you care and think for yourself.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    what is the point of the un?
    Israel pulling down houses to build new settlements and shooting at Irish peace keeper who then run with their tail between their legs. Toothless talking shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am not sure if that aspect is unique.

    There's always been supporters of genocidal regimes in Western countries e.g. all the Stalin and Mao apologists during the Cold war, and of course the (admittedly pre Holocaust) fascist sympathisers in every country in Europe pre WW2, some of whom managed to rise to power.

    One thing that is odd though is alot of these horrible movements still hate Jews, and it doesn't take much for any rabidly pro Israel "mask" covering that to drop.

    People running Israel do not appear concerned about their antisemitism, however e.g. they were giving support to the pro-Russian far right presidential candidate in Romania who got banned.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-30/ty-article/.premium/israeli-ministers-call-to-pro-nazi-romanian-candidate-sparks-election-interference-claims/00000193-7e20-de89-abff-7ffb63590000

    These parties/groups hate muslims/arabs more, and will support Israel in attacking them, that's the main thing.

    Maybe they (Israel) think they are being doubly clever, as Western countries electing more racist and even Nazi sympathetic far right parties and becoming a colder house for Jews could drive more "Aliyah" emigration to the homeland!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You may well ask.

    But, imagine what things would be like without it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Much like today, with a microphone and camera rolling she mouthed what she thinks you like to hear. Image is important, as you said of another politician.

    Why didn't she vote for sanctions on the Assad regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, you make some pertinent points. The racists and bigots have no particular love for Judaism, Zionism or Israel - the one thing that unifies them is their pathological hatred for all Muslim people. So it's more that they hate the Palestinian people indeed rather than them 'liking' Israel (but they do quite like Netanyahu, as they see him as a far right strong man and fellow Islamophobe).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    But sure you don't just say it about that politician, you say it about everyone on here who is speaking out, it is bizarre.

    This thread isn't about Israel. Could be a lovely country full of fine lovely people, I haven't a clue. This thread is about Israel's conflict with Palestine, which is by many accounts an active genocide. There isn't much good to say about that surely. I would say 90% of items posted on this thread in defence of Palestinian civilians is corroborated - if Israel keep doing evil ****, some of those bad things get posted here - and it isn't even the half of it.

    The other side post blatant lies, nonsense and disinformation, topped off with slander, which you seem to have no problem with.

    It's fine if you don't care about what's going on, live your life. What's mad is that you actively go out of your way to sneer people who do. I couldn't give a fiddlers about Rugby, I'm not over there day in day out sneering all the people discussing it to show how much I don't care.

    Anyway, don't let me slow you down, have at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Sanctions generally only hurt a population and not the ruling powers. Also, it very much depends on what's on the sanction list. When Iraq was subject to sanctions, the only people that they hit were Iraqi civilians. Lots of things were on the list. Things like medicines and even violin strings were being sanctioned. None of which was going to be of any bother to Hussain, who still lived in the lap of luxury.

    Sanctions need to be targeted. If not then they're pretty much just a punishment on civilians.

    The essential fact is this, any sanctions beyond weaponry and offensive items largely affect only the people of a country. The ones in the ivory towers still enjoy the trappings of power.

    In effect, you can end up punishing the wrong people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I guess committing the biggest mass slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust wasn't such a great idea was it? All Hamas had to do was just release the remaining Israeli hostages and all Hamas had to do was stop stealing and manipulating the aid distribution going into Gaza, and all Hamas had to do was stop hiding in their terror tunnels deliberately trying to get their own civilians killed for their own propaganda purposes.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    All Hamas had to was just release the remaining Israeli hostages

    They were.

    Israel chose to renege on the ceasefire before all the hostages could be returned.

    Why does this keep having to be explained to people like you?



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