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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This is the full article:https://archive.ph/TzFJT

    It's truly shocking how they double down and go after the doctor rather than even show a sliver of humanity and compassion. Yet I shouldn't be so shocked we have seen certain posters here expressing simliar sociopathic views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,963 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It has become a very warped society and political system. They are fully exposing their nutjobs and intentions now though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They (Israelis) are hardly the first to behave like this, they are not uniquely evil or even special at all, but it is (IMO) very sad to see this happen, given the Jews' own history of being on receiving end of pogroms and genocides.

    Would make you despair for humanity. Seems like there's no such thing as collective learning of any good lessons from history or culture. Nothing really sticks for the "mob" and sufficient fear and rage + black propaganda can overcome it + tip any group of people into dehumanisation, followed by slaughter & genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The following BBC verify video shows aerial footage of the areas where aid is distributed.

    With all the barbed wire, fences and human pens, it looks vaguely familiar to B&W footage from 80 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    It is absolutely incredible these people are in power over there, or that anyone would speak like that. The hatred is unbelievable, and yet more evidence that this has absolutely nothing to do with fighting a war against Hamas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    What's sick is that so many know that this is evil, yet they are perfectly content to turn a blind eye to what israel is doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,207 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Watching a programme of David Frost's interview on the Israeli / Palestinians peace deal . Everything Rabin done Netanyahu was the opposite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I missed this report in amongst all the other reports (telling in itself).

    That former Supreme Court Justices have signed the letter, which states

    ""…genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza or, at a minimum, there is a serious risk of genocide occurring," the legal experts wrote.

    does not bode well for Israel's case before the ICJ.

    Some 828 UK-based or qualified legal experts, among them former Supreme Court justices, signed a letter to Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer on Monday.

    They warned "genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza" from Israel's blockade of food and aid and its new military offensive, which has killed hundreds of Palestinians there in the past fortnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,423 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,963 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As I said months ago, history will be very kind to Ireland's early stance on Israel's genocide. Not that it helps the people of Gaza. We called it out long before other countries had the courage to do so. Our president in particular drew extreme vitriol from the Israeli government and some Irish folks that were afraid to annoy Trump.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A bizarre aspect of this is that they have become the poster boys for every racist, bigot, white supremacist and far right nationalist in the West. We've seen genocidal regimes before, but never one that had a load of hate filled bigots simping for them and cheering them on - it's a most peculiar era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Have to say that I hope all the people in the room felt something deep within them when Riyad Mansour spoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,548 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hmmmm……….they had a son of a Hamas leader ‘verifying’ in other reportage.

    I’d be a little wary of this stuff to be honest.

    I wouldn’t jump in with both feet as folk seem to be anxious to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    hmmmmm , I'd believe Hamas far more than isreal at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    One report which was pulled when the Beeb discovered the nature of the narrator.

    Bear in mind, the video footage the Beeb used was provided to them by the IDF.

    Of course, there would be a lot more detailed reporting if Israel allowed the International Press direct access to Gaza. But we all know why they won't.

    And as for "jumping in with both feet", many are very happy to swallow the Hasbara without question and to parrot all the IDF lies ad nauseum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Extraordinary interview yesterday evening between Piers Morgan and that war criminal of an Israeli ambassador to the UK : he absolutely tore her to shreds on the atrocities and the killing of children and used the 'genocide' word to her repeatedly.

    Two significant things coming out of the interview: firstly, this would have been unthinkable even two months ago, but also an illustration of how the regime's image has utterly collapsed in the last fortnight and people no longer afraid to call them out as a disgusting pariah state led by terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,963 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's powerful stuff. It's very very sad. I'd say the Israelis hate that the state of Palestine has a seat at the UN table.

    Did you notice how the Israeli guy yawned during the speech.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    there is a big drop off on their cheer leaders here too. All of a sudden they seem more interested in an NI band.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The 'free the hostages and Hamas should surrender' line appears to have fallen off a cliff. Their boss Netanyahu is no longer even talking about either of these things - now openly discussing the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and displacement of the entire population.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Id agree with believe neither Hamas or Israel, but believe what you see surely

    It seems fairly cut and dry what is going on over there. Israeli politicians in power are saying they are doing it. We see it happening in our TVs and phones. European media and politicians are increasingly critical of it. Scholars and experts on genocide are telling us what it is. Opposition politicians in Israel, former military top brass etc are condemning it. It's not difficult to comprehend what is happening.

    The IDF spin doctors on here have absolutely no evidence for what they assert is going on. None. Hundreds of pages in this thread, and I have yet to see a convincing argument backed up by evidence. It's all nonsense. The only things they give (after the customary antisemite/ terror supporter remarks), are links to extreme right wing racist sites with ties to the Israeli government, disinformation that is very quickly debunked, or nonsensical comparisons to events in world war 2.

    Evidence or truth doesn't bother these guys - they'll just keep up lying for whatever grubby little reasons they have and it is extremely transparent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,963 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Whats the end game ?

    Isreal eventually moves people out of Gaza and takes it over ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, I heard one Jewish commentator (who hates Netanyahu) describe it in stark terms as "the final solution to the Gaza question". Solve the 'problem' of Gaza by removing the entire population and flood the place in future years with Israeli Jews only. Would mean multiple war crimes and breaches of international law obviously, and would also come under the category of genoide as it entails the forced displacement of an entire people from their homeland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I can only go off what I've seen on a digital device but I'm convinced Israel are committing many war crimes. I'm also convinced HAMAS have setup a lot of shots to then use as propaganda. At the beginning of the war especially there was quite a few horrific scenes which turned out to be setups.

    I think the term Pallywood began to be used. They messed up when the same actors started appearing in multiple videos. There was one where Israel had given the coordinates to a building they'd bomb and the camera crew and actors were on hand ready to run out of the smoke holding injured children.

    Like I said this does actually happen but HAMAS creating propaganda just aids Israel's campaign of "fake news" and turns people away who start doubting what they've seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I think Ideal like another poster said wants a "final solution" and to take all of Gaza. However if international pressure is too much they won't be able to achieve this.

    Instead I think they'll annex the slimmer northern stretch of Gaza and leave the southern corner for the West and the Arab nations to fund a rebuild.

    So Khan Younis will become the new capital of Gaza. Because of Israeli influence embedded amongst the western world I personally think they'll get away with this.

    Gaza-strip-political-map-boundary.jpg

    It'll be far easier to contain and defend against the inevitable resumption of missiles launched into Israel from HAMAS when the war finally ends. That's assuming their "final plan" solution doesn't actually happen.

    Nobody's had the balls to directly confront Russia in Ukraine so it'll definitely never happen in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see it is being played down what happened at the GHF center. It now appears US officials are uncomfortable backing this group given its questionable links to the Israeli government and others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Fair enough - I avoid watching any videos from Gaza tbh (or war footage in general) - leaves me too rattled.

    There is of course propaganda on both sides for sure.

    Still, evidence abounds for what's going on. Mountains of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,822 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Never heard this, could you provide any links to this scenario?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And the illegal settlement of the West Bank continues apace….

    Far-right Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has announced the creation in the occupied West Bank of 22 new settlements, which are considered illegal under international law.

    They would include new settlements and the legalisation in Israeli law of outposts already built without government authorisation.



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