Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Republican congressman has arrived at the final solution for Gaza

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/UobMCyYfiD

insane

For a lot of people, support for Israel is just a socially acceptable vehicle for Islamophobia.

It's just extremism everywhere and a complete lack of humanity. This guy calling for the nuclear bombing of Gaza routinely calls Muslims animals. He, like a lot of people here, simply don't see them as equal to themselves.

They're probably baptised and confirmed, and still don't understand that people are simply born into these things.

The devastation wrought on Gaza is far greater than the nuclear bombs in Japan. It's hard to give him any room here for technicalities.

It's like calling for the continual nuclear bombing of all of Japan's population in order to find any remaining soldiers present in the civilian population.

That is what Israel's logic here is since there is no army in Gaza. There is no actual army holding guns. Israel's view on the Palestinian population is that you have to kill everyone because the people are the enemy, since there isn't a classic military to fight.

The problem with that is obvious. It's intangible and the goal of "defeating Hamas" basically requires the killing of every male over the age of like 13, and apparently every male who might reach 13 a decade from now.

On the N7 this morning on the over passes people were setting up Palestine flags and occupied territories banners.

yup. Sledgehammer-nut is Israel in this conflict, and other conflicts with Palestine

It does seem like they are finally taking a critical line against Israel, yet hours after Lammy announced the suspension of trade talks an RAF spy plane took off from a Cypriot airbase to fly over Gaza. We know one of these Spy planes captured the killing of the seven aid workers but the British government refused to share with other countries what it captured. We also know MOD officials are continuing to meet senior IDF officials in London.

And the report clearly states that aid amounting to 9000 trucks worth is ready to go.

So, enough aid is in place to avoid mass starvation. Israel will not let it in.

Slam dunk Genocide:

"Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The ICJ will judge Israel, the State, not the Govt. or individuals. There is no appeal.

If they find Israel culpable of Genocide, on the basis of the reaction to the issuing of arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant for War Crimes and a trip to The Hague for trial, I'd imagine Israel will be apoplectic. The rhetoric and hyperbole will be off the scale. The entire planet will be accused of being antisemitic. Israel will be apoplectic with rage.

The impact of such a verdict will be monumental - and I don't mean that in a good way. Other than the usual trotting out of the Hasbara, Israel would be able to do little about it. Unless they want to go into berserker mode and launch a few nukes into Gaza.

But I think that all news items about Israel from then on will be couched in terms of "Israel, the Genocidal Nation, something something" for years and years. Israel will suffer greatly - shunned, ignored, lambasted etc. The economy will hit rock bottom, the current level of Israelis leaving with grow significantly and on the political stage, they will also be shunned. I've posted before that I sincerely hope Israeli citizens who see the writing on the wall will rise up and throw out this dangerous Govt. who risk destroying their Nation.

Of course, "Never again" will be reborn as a worldwide mantra. Until it happens again of course.

All speculation on my part of course.

As others above have said, sadly this conflict will rumble on for decades more.

Let's imagine (and admittedly I'm plucking figures from nowhere here) that before October '23 the support in Gaza for armed attack on Israel was 5%.

What do we reckon it is now? 50%? 80%? 99%??

I think under the present circumstances, loved ones maimed and murdered, even a pacifist like myself would be taking up arms at the 1st opportunity.

This interview is well worth a watch. Superb journalism.

The guy in the video clip who is the spokesperson for Israel is clearly gaslighting anyone watching who has even half a brain. I do wonder if we truly know the full story behind October 7th. Israel is so security conscious it seems strange that Hamas could launch such an attack and cause such carnage. Is it possible Netnayahu allowed it to happen as a pretext for going after the people of Gaza ie commit genocide. Israel want's Gaza cleared of people to allow for a pure annexation. They want Gaza cleared of Palestinians in the same way the Nazi's wanted Germany cleared of Jews. Clearly both situations are monstrous.

You had Jared Kuschner, Trumps son in law, getting excited by the real estate possibilities Gaza offered. This is clearly monstrous thinking as it wasn't with the betterment of the native Palestinians in mind.

The guy in the video clip who is the spokesperson for Israel is clearly gaslighting anyone watching who has even half a brain

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/poll-82-of-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion-nearly-half-support-biblical-massacres/

82% of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Over half believe Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (sole democracy in the region, equal rights and all that....) and almost half support killing all Palestinians.

That societies goose is cooked!

I recall, in the very early days, various IDF spokespersons being interviewed on drivetime. They are all identical. The Hasbara is very strong in all Israeli spokespersons. The Israeli ambassador was similar. Evasion, denying factual evidence etc. and when they realised they weren't up against a rookie journalist, the outrage came out.

Just like Netanyahu did last night.

These people are very good at what they do and it works - on gullible people who do not question it. It doesn't wash for those who see the gaping holes, the lies and the obfuscation. It seems endemic in the govt and the IDF as the execution of 15 medics showed the world. Even in that case, when caught barefaced lying, they obfuscate and give some mealy mouthed apology.

And the current govt does this to everyone including their own - even opposition politicians and ex ministers and ex military leaders.

It really is bizarre behaviour for a nation that claims to be democratic. No other democratic nation I know of acts like this.

It really is like the kid with his mouth covered in chocolate swearing blind that he didn't eat the cake.

iI's a good question. I'm not sure but I'd say your percentages for young men are not fantasy. I can imagine the blood is rising in them for sure.

For the older generation and women, I think they just want the war to end and they want Hamas gone. But they will not trust Israel for many decades. It would be a very fragile peace, if you call the absence of war "peace".