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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭EmergencyExit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Ireland's "reciprocal tariff" would be something like 99% if based on our trade deficit, not the initial 20% or now threatened 50% as part of the EU.

    What do you propose Ireland do? Remember, time is linear and only moves forward. You can't go back and change decades of economic development that have resulted from EU membership and US trade. If we somehow had our current wealth and status without the EU, the US would be hitting us harder, not less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    President Boy who cried wolf is at it again

    Its his own sheep that will end up getting slaughtered

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,076 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yeah. Because the United States is all thinking the same way.

    Even Trumps own cabinet doesn't think the same way. Some states are looking at suing the government due to overreach.

    Trump announced these without any input from anyone in Congress. Is Bessant really now arguing that dictatorship is best?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    The bond markets have already decided that they just aren't going to tolerate this kind of crap from this clown.

    Just match whatever stupid number he comes up with and wait for him to fold.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,739 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And we wouldn't have our economy if not for the EU given that so many companies have set up in Ireland specifically because it's a foot in the EU and it's an English-speaking country.

    But of course, that doesn't suit an anti-EU rhetoric so will just be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,246 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    In the current situation our interests are only served by the EU offering a lot more to avoid a catastrophe here. The scale of the crisis in this country if a 50% tariff was imposed (which is a lock out) is frightening, it really is. There is no sugar coating it. It will be fast too. When tariffs like that are imposed, exports don't slow down - they stop. You are talking 100,000's of jobs on the line. A collapse in revenue to the state. We'd be straight in to an emergency.

    We need the EU to be willing to offer a lot more to get a deal we can live with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,115 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    No reply on the topic of Trump lying in front of the world, pretending to show photos of mass killings of white people?

    No?

    Just disappear, and then reappear later when the topic changes. It is like debate Whak-a-mole....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Pointing out that Ireland would be hardest hit is actually just saying Ireland has benefitted most from EU membership and US trade.

    Sure, you can say that the EU should be willing to offer more, but more detail would be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    The tariff applies to exports of GOODS only - Which accounts for around half of that 27.3%. I suspect you knew that and you're being disingenuous (again)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Remember when Trump put “catastrophic” tarrifs on everyone and claimed likes of China and not Walmart consumers would pay for them?

    Yeh seems like years ago now 🤣

    Apple barely budged today on this news



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,634 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I keep laughing at Trump 'recommending' these tariffs as well. Recommending to whom? What is he even talking about?

    Obviously the "emergency" justification he's used for tariffs in the first place is transparently complete bollocks, and once again the subservient Congress not even putting up a hint of a fight to the mad king's social media dictats. In a just world Republicans facilitating this wannabe authoritarian nonsense would never be allowed show their face in public again, and honestly the reliably half-arsed / non-existent response from most Democrats means they deserve every bit of scorn they receive too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It all goes against the classic Republican ideals of small government and free markets. The man is pointing out specific companies like Walmart and Apple and telling them what he thinks they should do.

    I've no idea how people, like normal Republicans that voted for Bush or whatever, buy into this new version of the party. None of it makes any sense. Trump is trying to control commerce more than Xi or Putin at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    Lads why hasn't the world collectively told this cnut to f*ck off... The EU, China, all of africa, UK and anyone else who there is should get together and put him and the US in its place.

    No exporting to the US whatsoever, see how they like it then when they don't have imported EU food and medicine. Will hurt in the short term but will put him in his place for good.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,634 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The hypocrisy is genuinely boundless.

    JD Vance was over lecturing Europe about free speech a few months ago. Now his administration is trying to crush Harvard for simply allowing protests on their campus and insufficiently bowing to the administration's political ideology (and to be clear, they have shamefully bowed to many demands - it's never enough). Or the same VP giving an NYT interview stressing his deeply held Catholic beliefs while he openly facilitates a genocide and punishes the poor for being poor.

    They are deeply unserious people who believe in nothing other than chaos, revenge and self-enrichment.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is genuinely hysterical. Chicken Little would be backing away.

    Never mind that this would be ridiculous at the best of times, it's coming after repeated collapses of US positions on tariffs in the face of economic reality. There are repeated examples from just this term of your ideas being verifiably wrong. Im sure you think it's some grand masterstroke to have Americans start losing limbs cause they can't afford diabetes medication but everyone else sees it for the irrational idiocy that it is.

    The EU will do what it always does and remain calm and methodical in its response. And as happens far more often than not it will get what it wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    China stood firm and is now on what, 30%? Yes, the rest including the EU should tell the US to get fuked. He doesn't respect any caving whatsoever. He only respects those that stand up to him.

    He is basically the equivalent of a drunk in a taxi rank trying to start fights until someone tells him to sit down. He only remembers and respects that person while thinking the rest are weak.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They are, to a point. Just doing it via normal diplomatic means which obviously seem very restrained compared to the megalomaniac firehose of garbage spewing from the White House.

    Its clear that no one is going to offer any materially important concessions at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Oh look it

    the Russians on boards are breaking out the (fake Russian) champagne bottles



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭nachouser


    1: Leave the E.U.

    2: ???

    3: Profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    I read somewhere that the Qataris unloaded that plane on him because it was costing them too much to maintain. I do hope that doesn't mean they skimped on essential maintenance…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,899 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It worked so well for the UK they just had to sign a deal to get back access to important markets… and they have a domestic market of 60 million. No coherent or credible explanation given as to how Ireland would be better off in a trade war versus Trump's insanity outside the EU than in it.

    It's a policy of absolute economic and political lunacy so of course it cannot be supported by evidence.

    And of course, instead of castigating Trump's economic insanity for what it is, instead we get utterly disingenuous attempts to try to spin this against Ireland and the EU.
    That's what happens when you adopt a position devoid of logic and facts. Some scary rabbit holes you end up going down when you start "sneaking regard for" an amoral lying corrupt race baiting rapist.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Quoting a guy from a cabinet full of liars talking on a non-news channel staffed by liars, that peddles lies and has been heavily find for lying isn't quite the slam-dunk convincing evidence you appear to think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    It's like an updated version of Waiting for Godot, but with economics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    be a shame if donnie went up for a quick spin and a couple of engines fell off…

    as to his tariffs,Europe (and Ireland) should just hang back…ye want your Mercedes,Audis,Volvos…?theyre going to cost YOU,the good ole us of a 50% MORE…ye want your viagra…? well lads thats 50% more too…donnie will cave in like he has done already…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    1. Leave the EU
    2. Have the economy flatline for a decade
    3. Negotiate to be subject to same rules but not have say on them
    4. Have your “best friends over in US” slap you with tarrifs regardless
    5. Still be flooded by migrants with more coming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    It’s believed it will need between 400 million and a billion to bring it up to spec. Then Trump gets to bring it home after his presidency,great deal for him.
    But you’ll have MAGA people in the likes of the mid-west saying Trump is standing up for them against the elites not realising Trump is taking away their social security so billionaires can get big tax breaks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    So Europe ignored Trumps letter sent out last week. LOL.

    The answer to getting bullied and shaken down is to hit back, like China did. Hit the USA with 200% tariffs. It's all anyone can do against a nutter like Trump and hold on to your dignity at the same time. You have pathetic idiots from the EU arranging instant cap in hand meetings with US delegates as we speak. Don't do it. Do the opposite. Do what China did. Don't take any of Trumps crap.



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