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How would rejuvenate Galway City?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Isn't Hynes' privately owned? I don't think the location is the worst when it comes to contributing to traffic. Most seem to enter it from the docks side and much of the traffic coming out from it turn back out the docks too but then I suppose i tgoes back to what has been talked about a lot on this forum before. A lot of Galway's traffic isn't actually around the city centre itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    More thinking of a Space that is near City Centre that could facilitate this last leg delivery. Hynes is a weird car park all the same, its Continental going up and down the ramps.

    City Centre is very important though as a route to remove car traffic as its ON the main spine of the New Galway City Council Bus Connects. All Buses going East - West and vice versa will go via Centre so its critical that its freed up on that front



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Would think it best to leave that open for now but force traffic to the right after the brewery/bar. Block traffic from going to Eyre Square or better still only allow buses through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    What's your proposal for a last leg Depot facility? Needs to be close to the City Centre to be effective IMHO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Allow traffic like they currently do but actually enforce it to be early in the morning, not this BS where it extends for hours. They do it in other cities. Having staff in early for deliveries is the cost of doing business in the city centre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Not from Galway myself but having visited recently I was taken aback how shabby and unloved Shop st. looked compared to my previous visit which granted could have been over 5yrs ago.

    A lot of the building facades on the street looked badly in need of attention… peeling paintwork and tacky shop signs for instance Mccambridges been a big offender.

    Another thing that struck was the street surface… rolled tarmac!

    Was there ever any plans to lay pavement bricks something like polished granite on Shop st?

    And now on to Quay st… Wow what a beautiful street, paved, well maintained buildings and a lovely buzz and atmosphere about the place 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    re rolled tarmac on "Shop street" ( Williamsgate & Mainguard) There was originally paving planned - but the RIGID ARTIC trucks won that war. Weight of vehicles doing last leg delivery would have destroyed it like happened to the OLD paving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,606 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Did you notice all the cracked and sloping footpaths, the random poles installed in the paving, the ~20% commercial premises vacant, the seagulls terrorising the place..

    On the plus side, there is not much litter around during daytime hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Cllr Frank Fahy was on Galway Bay FM yesterday talking about the hordes of Seagulls who haven't seen the glorious blue waters of Salthill in their lifetimes as the living is so good in the City Centre with people hand feeding them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,606 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    I didn’t notice any large outlets like supermarkets on Shop st so surely van deliveries would suffice here?

    This happens on both Grafton & Henry st in Dublin, would typically see vans parked on the paved streets before 9am doing daily deliveries.

    I haven’t seen any damaged pavements that would occur from these vehicles which also include cash transit vans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    "Shop st" means William, shop, High and Quay Streets, in this context.

    Pubs get some pretty heavy-weight deliveries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    To answer the poster's initial query, I would suggests the city providing Kenny's Bookshop with a large premises in the city centre, rent free. That would attract back thousands of good customers who don't bother visiting Galway City anymore now that they have relocated to an industrial estate. Unlikely and probably unachievable. The original Kenny's Bookshop was a significant visitor attraction to Galway City. Allowing it to leave the city centre was an extremely foolish move imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Do people even bother visiting the Liosbaun Industrial Estate shop that much? I say its a fraction of the overall sales

    Kennys's went ONLINE - way back in the day

    https://www.kennys.ie/

    How impressive is that for a local retail website!!

    They got ahead of the business curve to be brutally honest - great business acumen in that family.

    NOTE: I am not related to the Kennys in any way or form



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    You are correct re supermarkets.

    Galway City gets a mix of both the big rigid 3 axel trucks , vans + the keg beer delivery' trucks. (Your typical Guinness Keg Truck) as posted by Mrs OBumble on the Pedestrian Streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,649 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    What an odd post. Should bring back Roches, O'Connor's and Hairy Legs too!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Perhaps aim of post was to encourage discussion on loss of the "local" retailers and how to encourage them to stay or encourage NEW local businesses setting up in the Centre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    By giving them a free building!

    Except that nothing in life is free.

    Kennys is a successful online retailer, footfall is only a small part of what they do. Subsidising them to do an inner city store would just distract from their core business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭westgolf


    There's always going to be a turnover of businesses in the city centre but the issue I believe is that the quality of the business venture that leaves isn't usually matched by the replacement that opens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Richardson's and Paddy's and McGettigans closed.

    Foley's and Mary Mullens and Screene's opened.

    Which way did quality go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭westgolf


    @mrsobumble

    Pubs replacing pubs, sellf explanatory

    Bookshop with many niche and specialist services and products (kennys) replaced by outlet for items which are online primarily

    And don't even mention the vape shop epidemic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Agree, add losing the local ones for chain stores in retail and food is another one.

    Bus services improving in last decade has brought in additional footfall into the City Centre and but its the ONLINE shopping that has impacted.

    Much stronger action on dereliction and vacant properties is one way to go - will drive down commercial prices/rents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭GBXI


    That's rubbish. The pubs that were replaced have revitalized half that street because they invested in improving the buildings, especially Mary Mullen's. What's there now is so much better than what was there before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭westgolf


    I accept that they have invested in, and have raised the standards, including the surrounding area but its still a pub.

    To counter with another example:

    McCambridges specialist food shop and source of hard to find items - bought by Musgraves, owners of Supervalu and Centra. The outlet is still retail but the standard of the offering has changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Build Bypass, this allows the city to breath… Galway has four times the cars from when the last bridge was built, rent is so expensive there is more commuting into the city rather than live here…

    While building consider this… Ask the Irish Government for a two year pilot where we double the amount of buses in the city, have park and ride all year and then make bus FREE… Yep, I am saying all inner city bus travel should be FREE…

    Want to be serious about Public Transport make it be paid by taxes… Hopefully this clears the roads of Private cars, this is why it is a pilot… This space then can be used to naturally increase space for other modes of transport…

    Yes, this seems a bit radical… Luxembourg City (Pop:128k) have free inner city travel, you just step on and step off… No paying, so everything runs much quicker… Is there risk? Yes… But I think that this could change the way we view public transport and the use of private car in the city from being the default transport to one used when we have a special need…

    The public transport without the need for ticketing would encourage jump on /jump off mentality…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    In an online-first world, pubs , restaurants,cafes and other experience venues are increasingly important.

    In this case, the pubs that closed were crappy dives. The replacements are an enormous improvement.

    McCambridges isn't a counter example: it was sold as a going concern, the new owners looked at the business model and got rid of the lower margin / higher risk stuff: they know what makes money. Which is ultimately what any business needs to do.

    The sniping about Kennys moving out, and being replaced by a branch of a Westport owned outdoors shop is ... odd. They are both west of Ireland businesses which do business online.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Your McCambridges point is valid, that has disimproved for sure. However, the point of the pubs disproves your notion that the new businesses are worse than the old. They are objectively better on Prospect Hill.

    This is all anecdotal but my opinion is that Galway has never been better in terms of commercial, city centre businesses but it also has major room for improvement and is absolutely resting on its laurels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭westgolf


    Whilst having no wish to get into an over-and-back on this, just to clarify one point:

    Kennys: specialist, attracted a clientelle who were the type of people we looked to attract to Galway, brought business to the town centre

    Bricks and mortar branches of online stores:

    People go in, try on for size, go home and order online.



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