Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You're mistaken.

Ukrainians are absolutely free to move to and fro - without being robbed when/if they return home.

Israel has not allowed any Gazans leave Gaza - they closed all borders months ago. So, by your own reckoning, Israel is denying the right to leave which is breaching humanitarian law and therefore yet another War Crime.

The pitiful few, a fraction of those requiring medical assistance, have to leave because of the devastation in Gaza, the lack of fuel, supplies and equipment for hospitals and the murder of many medics. I posted here recently that Israel has "allowed" just 33 children out of 2000 to leave to receive the care they need. Yet another War Crime.

It's nothing like Ukraine at all - using that canard as an argument is pure whataboutery.

That you have to resort to inferring I'm a Hamas spokesman is telling. It's no different to Netanyahu (an alleged War Criminal) calling a Jewish opposition politician an anti-Semite. It simply echoes perfectly the Hasbara.

I'm hopeful that the current increase in Israeli protests at their Govt. along with world leaders condemning Israel and seriously looking at sanctions, will stem the Genocide tide.

It's pretty much down to how low the Israelis themselves want to go. If they care nothing about the world seeing them as a Pariah, Terrorist State and Genocidal Nation, then they will continue as is.

If they have any shred of humanity (many do), they will force their Govt to about turn, with the help of pressure from external forces.

The ball is firmly in their court.

But a point will be reached where those external forces will bring the pressure to bear without involving the Israelis at all. When those pictures of kids in white shrouds start coming out, it will be sickening.

of course they should be made pay, but like always, Israel’s reckless destruction occurs because they know countries like Ireland will pay to rebuild the devastation they created

Do you not think the first thing countries should do is punish the country, you know, doing the indiscriminate killing, the way they are Russia?

Should that not be the avenue to go down first rather than actually helping them remove the people they are trying to remove.

They most definitely should. HAMAS and the Israeli government should be punished not just HAMAS. As Russia has been rightly punished although I have my doubts if Trump will keep the pressure on him.

But you have to deal with the reality. Unless you like seeing women and children blown up get them the **** out of there. I think HAMAS did an interview before where they'd be happy to sacrifice civilians for the cause.

Two quick searches online.

"Hamas faces backlash in Gaza after top official dismisses war death toll as ‘price that must be paid".

And

"Hamas leader said civilian death toll could benefit militant group in Gaza war".

That's a quote from that Sinwar animal who is now dead. Do you support the HAMAS view?

Sure we all know Hamas are c*nts. October 7th was a c*nt if a thing to do. I can see why Hamas came about and many Palestinians were pushed towards extremism, but doesn't mean it wasnt an awful thing to do and the lads that did it shouldn't be strung up. I just think the same is true of anyone IDF, Russians, who target innocent men women and children. And there are far more on the IDF and Israeli government side doing this exact thing.

We all know Hamas lads holding the hostages don't care about civilians, but they are a terrorist group, that's what they do. The world is against them, what more do you want?

Israel is a democracy though and has to be held to account, which it isn't being. This is against everything we should be standing for, and somehow they are using us or intimidating into allowing them to do it. That is the first port of call - hammer them where it hurts, sanctions, assets freezes, ICJ, ICC trials etc until they stop. That has to be tried before helping them in their goal of clearing the Palestinians out of their homeland.

I think they want them gone because like you said they want to annex Gaza. But I think they will end up partially annexing it because they won't be able to remove all the civilians. Regardless any Palestinian, especially a woman or child who wants to leave should be accommodated by neighbouring countries and not prevented.

I'm not sure how you don't agree with this. I didn't want Ukrainians to have to leave Mariupol before Russia conquered it but they sure as hell had to. And they might never get it back.

If Palestinians ultimately lose their land in Gaza it's better the people survive then perish with it (if they so wish).

@Miniegg listen if we get into why Israel aren't under sanctions by the west we'll be labelled conspiracy theorists and anti Semitic. But we both know why.

Not a huge pile of humanity in Israel it seems. 60% of them support the war. I spoke to a few Israelis I know from around my area, only 3 to be exact, but they support it too and have no time for Gazans who they see as lesser.. I let them know how I felt regarding their position too.

https://www.jns.org/poll-60-of-israelis-back-return-to-fighting-in-gaza/

100% BUT it was like this from the start. Some people just can't bring themselves to the fact that Israel is out of control and genocidal. They don't want to lose face now even though it is hitting them in the teeth.

They haven't gone away -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side:_The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Nazism_and_Zionism

Certainly that echos what many Israeli leaders, including Herzog, have said over the years - "there are no innocent Palestinians".

As i think you have posted previously - "more twists than Chubby Checker" - the hypocrisy and 180 degree turns to continuously justify anything Israel has done is astonishing. But it really does perfectly reflect all the Israeli Hasbara talking points. Some people just seem to be ultra gullible, swallow it whole and just repeat and recycle it ad nauseum.

To suggest that a report of one child going to Jordan and the being forced to return to Gaza is indicative of Jordan being some kind of monster, completely misses the mark and deflects responsibility from the real monsters in this conflict.

Luckily, there are enough people with critical thinking and reading skills to countermand such dross and shine a bright light on the truth. Every single time.

Bear in mind, that when Gaza is fully annexed, the West Bank is next. They are already in direct conflict with Lebanon and Syria over land they claim as part of the Jewish homeland, but would they even be satisfied with that?

Israeli extremists won't stop until Jews occupy the holy land.

That brings them into potential conflict with all of the below

• Palestine – including the West Bank and Gaza Strip

• Jordan – all or large parts, especially the East Bank

• Lebanon – particularly southern Lebanon

• Syria – especially the Golan Heights and further eastward

• Iraq – western portions near the Euphrates

• Kuwait – possibly its upper territories, depending on the Euphrates’ extent

• Saudi Arabia – northwestern areas bordering Jordan and the Sinai

• Egypt – particularly the Sinai Peninsula

• Turkey – southeastern regions where the Euphrates originates

There is some depraved argument to say that because the problem of Palestine is so intractable that there needs to be a 'final solution' that involves relocating Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank, even if this involved enormous human suffering, at least it would solve the problem once and for all. But when you think about the threats they're already making against Lebanon and Syria, and their religious claim over land across the whole middle east, destroying Gaza to make Israel stronger will only foment even worse conflict throughout the middle east.

A state founded on the principle of religious and ethnic superiority over their neighbours, along with a historical claim over other people's lands that they believe has been granted to them by their god. regardless of the ownership of the people already living there, it's a recipe for absolute disaster.

It has been clear from the start that Israel intends to steal all the land they want and hold onto it. They seem willing to suffer all the repercussions afterwards for as long as it takes because they will have settled all the lands taken and increased the size of ''Israel''. These Zionists have planned this for a long time and Hamas have played into their hands. As long as the US have their back then they won't mind. Genocide has it's benefits it seems. War Crimes are only incidentals to these people.

More witness intimidation with shots fired near diplomats including two Irish diplomats -

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0521/1514153-jenin-diplomats-israel/

The Israelis have no fear and even less shame.

The Israeli military claimed "the delegation deviated from the approved route", prompting troops to fire "warning shoots" to keep them away from "an area where they were not authorised to be".

Is there any other country in the world that fires warning shots at diplomats to keep them in line?