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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Ireland’s new social housing applicants: A single person can earn more than €50,000 and still qualify 

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/05/20/irelands-new-social-housing-applicants-young-working-and-living-at-home/

    It really should be obvious that bringing large numbers of immigrants into a country that can’t accommodate Irish citizens working full time is really not a good idea. A desperate need for restrictions.

    There is often a focus on asylum seekers, but legal immigration needs to be tightened greatly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭tom23


    Completely agree. But you know the economy… nothing else matters.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ah come on now. You can’t complain about biased media and only paste links to biased media.

    Gript, GB news etc aren’t credible alternatives to the main stream media. They’re feeding your own bias.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    How many of the major media outlets reported on the very pertinent questions asked by Carol Nolan regarding the massive percentage of non-irish born people on the live register?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Where is RTE and Virgin media coverage of the absolute disgrace happening in Dundrum Co. Tipperary for example.

    Surely they care about between €16 million and €20 million been granted to a little-known Spanish company called "Utmasta", which is now leasing Dundrum House Hotel for the purpose of housing IPAS.

    The same company did not exist prior to January 9, 2025 and only came into existence so the owner could try to get around his financial issues in court at the moment

    So basically, the Irish Government have signed a contract, worth tens of millions, to a woman living in Spain, running a three month old company valued at €120, who has no track record of ever running a hotel or direct provision centre.

    How does this escape the likes of RTE/Virgin media? Why isnt this this on Prime Time, why isnt this on The Tonight show etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Speaking of we have a massive storm coming our way in the form of immigration. You thought Rwanda was bad? Starmer will come down harder on immigration, not because he wants to but because he has to if they stand any chance in the elections.

    I think reform might be first past the post in the next election and that's where the fun begins. We could see a point where the boats leaving from France might start landing in Ireland if the UK start deporting everyone who lands and reform might just do that.

    As for Sinn Fein they're well down my voting order. Even if they change policy I wouldn't trust them. Mary Lou needs to be replaced and they'd need to run new figures who never shared the crazy ideologies the current crop does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I've been hearing about this 'massive storm' coming our way in immigration for the last two years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's already hit us. I should have said hurricane. Will the government get ahead of the problem? Probably not because their main rival SF is more in favour of this mass immigration then FFG so it'll just hurt SF more in the election.

    Post edited by RoyalCelt on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭TokTik


    What is “credible”?? Gript are a member of the press council of Ireland and bound by the same rules as any other press here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Starmer will come down harder on immigration, not because he wants to but because he has to if they stand any chance in the elections.

    What elections?

    His party just got voted into power by an overwhelming majority. The traditional opposition are an absolute mess and their base has fractured.

    The most important thing facing Starmer and his party is fixing the absolute mess left over from Brexit, which they are at least attempting to do.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Reform UK just cleaned up at the local elections a few weeks ago.

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    That'll set the cat amongst the pigeons. The media here love Farage, particularly the BBC who have been promoting him for over a decade. If he doesn't achieve real progress on immigration, he'll be under pressure from Farage and Reform.

    The Tories are now in fourth place according to opinion polls.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    On the other hand, he inherited a difficult economic situation and there isn't a huge amount of money available to spend. Therefore he'll need to do things that are popular with the public to get reelected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    @ancapailldorcha made a good reply. I'll just add that labours overwhelming majority can be deceptive when the UK uses a first past the post system. Their overall share of the vote wasn't that high. This same system could make it possible for reform to get an "overwhelming" majority next time around.

    If it was Ireland, reforms vote share wouldn't guarantee them into power as they'd be up against coalitions.

    Now with this in mind read my original post again. We could potentially have a hurricane coming our way from the UK. It'll make the last tented city in Dublin seem like a village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I wouldn't be getting overly excited about local elections, the same noises were being made about UKIP 12 years ago.

    A general election is a long way off, they have time to fix the absolute mess of the public finances they inherited.

    Also Reform have plenty time to prove they have absolute no substance and blaming all societies ills on foreign people will not make anyones lives better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nor would I but I'm not a politician.

    You are correct. The next election is four years off. That's a heck of a lot of time for Farage and his creatures to show that they're nothing more than fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists to use David Cameron's words. So far, all they've done is ban all flags except the Union Flag. They've had to backtrack since as that also included local flags. Trump is also likely to poison the brand given how much time Farage spends in the US kissing up to him.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I didn't follow UK politics then but UKIP achieved it's goal no? Reforms goal is to get into government and after dominating the local elections they're in pole position.

    I don't think we've heard this before would be considered good planning by the Irish government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Why aren't they credible ( dunno much about GB news tbh as I don't have it, I saw that link on Twitter)

    75% of people polled here last year said we had too much immigration, God knows the percentage if they asked about refugees. The vast majority of articles on immigration on irish MSM do not represent that 75%.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Because they exist to defend the corporate establishment and spread fake news regularly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Reforms goal is to get into government and after dominating the local elections they're in pole position.

    According to who?

    Labours opposition is fractured, they won a majority not seen since Blair when they stayed in power for 13 odd years.

    At this moment in time Labour in terms of the next general election are in pole position.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Gript is agenda driven and wears its bias openly as a socially conservative news source.

    It is not balanced in any way.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Is it really wearing the bias openly though? I don't read it as I've no interest in its corporate propaganda but it gets relentlessly and baselessly promoted here as the only honest outlet in the country, something that's patently wrong.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They won 63% of the seats with only 33% of the vote. The first past the post system can be deceiving.

    Their vote collapsed in the locals as people are furious with them since getting elected. Reform have gained massively as they're now seen as the only chance for change on immigration.

    Plan for the worst hope for the best. The Irish government have every reason to plan for the worst unless they want our immigration disaster to turn into a catastrophy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Gript is obviously ideologically motivated, it's very clear. But the decline in journalism after decades of cuts has left the door open to the likes of Gript.

    If people are reading biased shoite in previously respected publications many are going to be more open to biased shoite than they would otherwise be.

    While we look down on the Brits in Ireland, I think the BBC has allowed them to have some proper discussion of immigration. RTE hasn't played as positive a role here. The British print media is of course very biased, but it's not hard to see left leaning bias in a lot of the Irish print media also.

    Anyway, the bigger picture is that the continued decline of journalism is an utter disaster for western societies. And the significance of it is almost totally unappreciated.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Well, I think it is. It claims to be a conservative news source to balance the “liberal main stream media”, at least that’s how it was launched

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Every news organisation is agenda driven and biased. Why only call out Gript? Is it because it exposes things you’d prefer were hidden??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Then you look at the likes of the totally unbiased Irish Times with such diversity of opinion amongst their most prominent writers and editors such as Fintan O’Toole, Una Mullally, Roisin Ingle, Jennifer O’Connell, Kitty Holland etc etc etc etc

    The only “balance” in that former paper of record on this topic is provided by occasional contributions from Michael McDowell. It is not balanced in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I don't read Gript regularly tbh but when I have I'm not seeing this defense of corporate interest.

    Surely if this was true there would be some sort of pay off for Gript from these companies?

    Because with everything else set aside I don't think Gript has coffers overflowing with cash.

    Isn't that Ben Scallan lad living in his parents attic with his wife and kids?

    If they're corporate shills they must be doing it for nothing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No, they aren’t. You just think they are because they don’t focus on the things you want them to.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The Irish Times news section is completely unbiased. What you’re talking about are opinion pieces. Which are clearly marked as such.

    If you think opinion pieces should be unbiased, I can’t help you.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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