Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Супер дупер консирнд

Seems like Orc sources want people to think he fled to Bulgaria in a car. But there is no evidence for it, just possible Orc misdirection. Of course another baseless allegation might involve this story being pushed to take heat from suspicions the FSB disappeared him.

I don't trust Erdogan as far as I could kick him with a broken leg, but I had thought that he really would not welcome the FSB murdering members of the Ukrainian delegation and spoiling his cultivated image of safe independent provider of venues for critical negotiations.

Last time there were 'talks' in Turkey, Abramovich and a Ukrainian negotiator were poisoned. Turkey clearly is unwilling to provide adequate security so I am surprised Ukraine were willing to attend talks there again.

It is interesting to note that the posts follow the same template. They start with: “it seems”, “it looks like”, followed by Russians advance getting pace/speed because Ukraine defence is “crumbling” and they are getting encircled (often called “cauldron”. The finish being something like: “I hope they will abandon their positions to save their lives”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz9y5xy81jqt

This horse has been well and truly beaten at this stage.

Trump fell for the ego massage again, Putin laughs when he hangs up the phone

Trump saying he will pull out if no deal is made, is showing your cards, why on earth would Putin make a deal, when he knows if he doesn't US will walk away. Trump is so stupid saying this.

But Putin is playing him for a fool. He (Putin) didn't agree to a single thing today in a two hour phone call, just more waffle about 'talks'.

Are Ukraine not there ?you'd swear it's a side line deal ,they are well in on the negotiations, your post makes no sense

I don't understand what you mean? Yes Ukraine have been there sometimes as Trump has repeatedly attempted to shaft them in negotiations. Sometimes they haven't been there when Trump calls Putin or his delegation/ Steve Whitkoff get sent to meet Putin or his lackeys. It's your post making little sense I'm afraid.

dirty deal will be done ,it's dirty, but it's a peace, people will stop getting killed

Short term, naive and history ignorant thinking. A dirty deal(depending on what that means) is very unlikely to do anything but buy a short reprieve. Putin has shown many times that he has no interest in peace. His original goals of removing Ukraine as a sovereign state remain unchanged.

And in any case. Your original point that somehow Donald Trump should be given any credence or be immune to criticism for bullying the victim of this war into a unjust peace is laughable. But you're right. Biden never did that. Hurray I guess?

Trump continues to expose himself as an absolute buffoon.

The diehards will still follow (they're not bright) but plenty of those who voted/supported him are waking up to their ridiculous mistake.

Him, his government, his entourage, his family are cretins.

Gary Kasparov made the astute observation that the west is making the mistake of treating Putin as if he is a politician when in reality he is a gangster. They keep trying to reason with him and make deals despite the fact that Russia keeps breaking promises and making fools of everyone. Russians just don't think like the west does. They never have.

You're dead right. Why in the name of God didn't Churchill just negotiate with Adolf, however long it took. Think of the the millions of lives that may/ may not have been saved. At least Chamberlin showed he was interested in peace.

Exactly !

Maybe if we just let Hitler have a few more countries, then this whole war business could have been avoided, and he would have stopped invading after a while.

Do people only half remember their history?

Europe has been over dependent on USA for security for 80 years. My brother has been based between Ramstein and Signollea for nearly 20 years except for a few years between Pearl Harbour and Afghanistan; USA's military presence comes at a huge cost to their tax payer.

Is expecting this to continue not a bit entitled? USA taxpayer keeps the citizens of the one of worlds richest trading block safe while they continue with pie in the sky energy and security policies?

People comparing Churchill to Trump; why not compare to FDR who sat on his hands in terms of military engagement in Europe until after Pearl Harbour and after Hitler declaring war first?

Where's the European Churchill? Who's actually putting their armed forces on the ground or even looking to? UK military capability has shrank very significantly over the last generation.

Their not because they are still on the Russian energy tit thanks to years of naivety in terms of energy policy. You can't fight a war without energy secure energy supplies and a strong industrial base. Europe have spent the last decade a more shutting this stuff down.

Trump is a horrible cnut, but the Yanks are not wrong in trying to get back their manufacturing base and having their own energy security locked down.

USA have decided that China is their main problem and Europe can do most of the running to sort out a mess in their own backyard. What Trump says is all theatre, the idea of a major intervention by them to get Russia to the table is fantasy.

Someone up thread was saying the world was better off when the neo cons exporting regime change all over the world. ffs