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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • #22562
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,120 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454687#Comment_123454687

    My opinion is that a significant portion of Americans are very much out for themselves.

    The mentality is that if you aren't making it, work harder, get another job, whatever needs to be done - side hustle etc. If you can't make it, that's your own fault.

    They're like that because they've been conditioned to think like that. It lets the state take its hands off of their responsibilities towards its citizens.

    Americans are entirely correct to distrust their governments and the apparatus of the state because when the push comes to the shove it doesn't give a damn about them. If you fall on hard times, it's tough shit. The problem is that the loudest of them then go and vote for Trump who's just sniggering up his sleeve at how dumb they are to fall for his bullshit. Because he isn't going to make American lives any better.



  • #22563
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454711#Comment_123454711

    Trumps thinking is probably that migrants tend to do the low paid menial jobs of $15,000 per annum or less, so lets tax them out of the USA.



  • #22564
    Glaceon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    It's a dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest/richest society. I could certainly never live there. I don't think I'd survive long term!



  • #22565
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454687#Comment_123454687

    Most people are like this. Think of the opposition from NIMBYs to new houses, the pushback against tax increases to fund public services or some of the behaviour we saw during COVID for some examples.

    What differentiates America from the rest in my opinion is what happened there during the Second World War. I should probably say what didn't happen there. The United States was never occupied and was feeling the benefits of FDR's New Deal. The mainland was never directly attacked so most people never experienced any of the horrors experienced by many Europeans.

    Europe by contrast was bombed into rubble. Reconstruction meant a fundamental rethink in the role of the state. This led to the creation and expansion of what we call the modern welfare state, most notably the National Health Service here in the UK under Clement Attlee's Labour government. Free healthcare at the point of use for all. Hard to imagine something less Anglo-Saxon or capitalist but it happened.

    Nothing of the kind happened in the US so the whole "I'm alright Jack" mentality was never seriously challenged. It syngergises quite nicely with the concept of the American dream where people migrated to the place en masse to get what they can get. It's always been that way when you look at stuff like Manifest Destiny.

    The US is what you get when you take Capitalism without the social contract. European states tend to prioritise the social contract which involves slower growth, lower wages but healthier and happier societies. In the US, the powerful economy masks these problems but this only works in boom times. Come bust, the cracks appear and they're deep.

    None of this will get fixed of course. The constitution that they're all so devoted to was written by land speculators and slaveowners. It's working as intended. It provides the average American with the semblance of a choice with the result being irrlevant.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #22566
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,058 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123453146#Comment_123453146

    Biden was slowing but remained determined and showed character and had his countries back

    Not like this monstrosity



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  • #22567
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,331 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123453824#Comment_123453824

    No we cant agree.

    Trump was the best option of the three, that is why he was elected.

    The best of a bad bunch but the best nonetheless.



  • #22568
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454687#Comment_123454687

    This is the reality of the so-called "American Dream". People, who for the most part, couldn't give a fück about each other. Only interested in making money, getting ahead and beating down on those they think are beneath them. Felon 47 just tapped into that because it's exactly who he is too.



  • #22569
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454610#Comment_123454610

    Well to be fair , that a percentage increase , not percentage POINT increase.

    So if the tax was 10% , it's increasing by 74.1% in 2030 bringing it to 17.41% etc.

    Now don't get me wrong - It's still horrendous and it's only the lower paid that see ANY tax increases - People earning hundreds of thousands will see their taxes drop permanently , but the medium to lower incomes will see their taxes creep up slowly over the next few years.

    Typical Bait & Switch by the GOP - Lock in the permanent tax cuts for the wealthy and hope to be out of office when the taxes increases for the masses (which is what happened with Biden in his last year as Trumps 2017 tax cuts expired for most).



  • #22570
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭threeball


    Is Stephen Miller, Putins love child? 🤔

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    Or do all spawns of Satan look the same



  • #22571
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Do you believe that the world (and the US in particular) would be in a worse place today if Kamala Harris had won??



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  • #22572
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454887#Comment_123454887

    So you think the person who is rolling back on basic civil rights, firing competent people and replacement them with the incompetent and calling for ethnic cleansing is the best option? You've ignored everything he's done, you don't care about how innocent people suffer and may even enjoy it. You don't care that he's threatening American citizens with deportation or that they're planning to suspend habeas corpus, you'll just declare as some kind of strategy that you're fine with. You think a tyrant is the best leadership for the US, that's the reality and you don't care how corrupt he is. At least you're admitting that you support him at least.



  • #22573
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454887#Comment_123454887

    By the same rationale, Hilary Clinton was the superior candidate in 2016.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #22574
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454887#Comment_123454887

    Somehow I believe Biden or Harris would be focused in on important issues, as opposed to this deranged clown...

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #22575
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454829#Comment_123454829

    Racism is why the US doesn't have universal healthcare. The gift that keeps on giving. I was skeptical for a long time of the ideas put forth with the 1619 project, but the truth is inescapable. Almost every social issue in the US has at its root the desire to suppress minorities, and the poor.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html



  • #22576
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454994#Comment_123454994

    How the president can say such utter nonsense is beyond me. He firmly believes he is somehow responsible for Taylor Swift not being in the news.

    For the record, she is on vacation after her world tour.



  • #22577
    scottser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭scottser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454887#Comment_123454887

    He was and still is a shockingly bad president and human being. Harris at least is a normal, well qualified and sensible politician. As for the legitimacy of the 2024 election, well we'll see about that.



  • #22578
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,331 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454949#Comment_123454949

    Yes, without doubt.

    We could be in the midst of WW3 if she was in "power".

    Not that she would be the one making the decisions if she had been elected mind you.

    Trumps bark is far worse than his bite, the world is a much safer place with him in the Oval office.



  • #22579
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455055#Comment_123455055

    How so?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #22580
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455055#Comment_123455055

    Really????

    The Old "He didn't start any wars" nonsense??



  • #22581
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454610#Comment_123454610

    I'm not sure you're going far enough into the details. One of the complaints about the bill is that it adds yet more complication to the code, but generally speaking, most folks seem like their tax bill will go down because of the various increases in deductions.

    If you are earning $15,000 a year, your federal income tax bill is $0 before you do any other calculations, because the current standard deduction is $15,000. The new bill increases this to $16,000. If you're over 65, add another $4,000 to that deduction. If you've been doing your calculations by looking at a table such as the one here… https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/10/trumps-tax-cuts-who-benefits.html

    …taxable income is the amount you have to pay tax on after deductions and the like, not the income you actually received. Now, the argument about the folks within that bracket after deductions (eg folks actually earning $35k) having an increase in effective tax greater than those earning $50k is valid enough, but there are going to be a number of other credits and deductions (not the same thing) which may apply to folks in different stages of their life that it's going to be difficult to make a direct equivalence.

    Temporary increases in child tax credit (In addition to the 'newborn savings deposit' credit or whatever they're calling it, which seems like a good thing to me) and especially the SALT credit increase in places like California or New York are also going to be well received, though arguably they are more political (otherwise they wouldn't be temporary) than true policy. Then again, the bill also extends a whole lot of other temporary credits which would otherwise expire and increase tax bills. The ability to deduct interest on your car loan, that's a not insignificant additional boost, even if you do have to buy American-built to do it. But the most popular new vehicle in the US is the F150, built in Kansas and Michigan, so all good there (The paperwork may be a bear, though)

    Small businesses are also getting a 3% increase in pass-through deductions. That includes anyone on gig economies like Uber or my own sole proprietorship.

    There is plenty to talk about in the bill with regards to various policies, and the overall Federal tax take is going to drop significantly (Though some businesses are certainly going to like the R&D or factory construction provisions). But when Joe Bloggs is filing his taxes if this is passed, I'll bet he'll be paying less. Yes, many of the cuts will expire by the time Trump leaves office, but that just means folks will be no worse off than they are now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/us/politics/trump-tax-cuts-temporary.html



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  • #22582
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455055#Comment_123455055

    Going down the conspiracy theory route again? There's absolutely no reason to believe she would send us down the path of WW3. I'm sure she wouldn't be calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, wouldn't be threatening the existence of NATO and wouldn't be threatening Greenland with invasion. She would be competent and that's the reality. Global stability is far more threatened than it has been in decades thanks to Trump.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • #22583
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭Damien360


    @Manic Moran thats very well explained. Cheers.



  • #22584
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455055#Comment_123455055

    In which the poster claims that Harris would make decisions that would lead to a world war, and simultaneously claims that she wouldn't be making any decisions.

    Utter contradictory nonsense.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #22585
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭francois


    Can't even get the grift right

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pricey-trump-edition-watch-ruined-by-hilarious-spelling-flub/



  • #22586
    nachouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Rump is kinda apt, though.



  • #22587
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455055#Comment_123455055

    "Trumps bark is far worse than his bite, the world is a much safer place with him in the Oval office.

    This gave me a chuckle.

    How is the war in Ukraine going? Those signal chats as well? Never mind the impending empty shelves for a lot of Americans due to the trade war HE started.

    Along with the rise in measles in America.

    The only good from his time so far, is the shift in how the election went in Canada, and that was not his intention. His toxicity created Canadian nationalism that killed the Cons. But again, he didn't mean for that to happen.

    You still going to say you aren't a Trump supporter?



  • #22588
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Another salvo relating to the most important issues of the day.

    Knocking it out of the park today, Mr. President!

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #22589
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455066#Comment_123455066

    But the key point is that all of the tax cuts with an expiration date are ones that impact the 90% not the Elite.

    All the high income cuts to taxes are permanent whereas the rest of them are a bait and switch.



  • #22590
    pad406
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭pad406


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455231#Comment_123455231

    Atrophied? I am impressed but really?

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    I know which I'd prefer to look like. They look like there's 23 years between them not 3



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  • #22591
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455231#Comment_123455231

    Unbelievable, imagine any previous US president coming out with this sh1te. Biden left the country in a fine state judging by all economic indicators but Trump has managed to hit the stock market with his stupid tariffs. Thousands of federal workers laid off because Musk decided he was going to slash funding he didn’t believe in.



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