How did Israel get so much influence? How can this be changed or overcome?

Cos the Holocaust.

It's time the Germans stopped being apologetic for things that they didn't do. The Nazis did it, and all the perpetrators are dead now. Time to move on.

Yesterday, it appeared in British media a story that the UK Government is considering a more formal trade deal with Israel. This is astounding to me, that this would be broached at this point in time. Western society mostly reacted to Russia's invasion of Ukraine with the introduction of widespread sanctions, here, as Israel continues to target and kill Palestinians, someone has decided now is a good time to consider strengthening ties with them.

I'm not sure why this is so astounding to some people.

Look at who Isreal are fighting against.

Look at the alternative to Isreal being the strongest power in the region.

The alternative would be some sort of Muslim state in the Iranian sphere of influence.

What western country would see that as a positive?

So of course they are going to make sure ties with Israel are strong.

Isreal might be despicable and all, but they are seen as being better overall than the alternative, and if that means a lot of Palestinians have to die to keep it that way so be it.

Russia v Ukraine was a very different narrative, it was independent western looking Ukraine being invaded by imperialist eastern strong man Russia.

Isreal might be despicable and all, but they are seen as being better overall than the alternative, and if that means a lot of Palestinians have to die to keep it that way so be it.

Why you think innocent civilians have to die any kind of principle is very odd.

How about no-one is the strongest power in the region and they all just get along - either by actively getting on or simply utterly ignoring each other? If that means a strong peacekeeping force (like UNIFIL) then so be it. No-one "has to die".

they won wars

This is it in a nutshell, the Jewish population doubled in the 3 years after Israel's foundation, immigrants solely of a Zionist perspective who had little regard for the natives.

Its sometimes hard to tell…

Certainly Jordan and Egypt haven't been a military threat to Israel for many years. Syria is in a state of flux, Lebanon too. The issue does not appear to be any of the adjacent States, rather the terrorist organisations that operate from there. So perhaps the drive would be to either get rid of those terrorist actors or get them to turn over to purely political activism. It has happened before…

And I doubt it is lost on anyone watching events in Gaza for 585 days (and further afield for decades) that Israel has no problem to stooping to the same terrorist levels, if not worse, of those terrorists that attack them.

Well, frankly, the Poles have issues with everyone surrounding them. They don't like the Germans. They don't like Ukrainians. They don't like Russians. They're not that fond of the Czechs or the Slovaks and a lot of them aren't mad about the Lithuanians either, despite the fact that they were a union for many years.

Polish history has been one of scrapping with their neighbours time and time again and not always as a fault of theirs. They've had territorial disputes with all of their neighbours and were even effectively eliminated as a nation at the end of the 18th Century.

Watching BBC Politics Live yesterday and the consensus largely among the panel consisting of Labour, Conservative MPs and a very rightwing academic who is friends with JDVance (!) was frightening on the subject of whether the UK should do something about the genocide and imminent famine in Gaza .

They all rested on the line that nothing could be done while Hamas was in power ,ie the old Thatcher- ism "I won't be talking to terrorists ".

The only one who demurred was a LibDem MP who said Israel should be forced to allow aid in through sanctions .

He also spoke of attempts by previous Israeli governments who almost reached the point of a Two State solution but this was derailed by some of the Israelis including BN who supported Hamas, a terrorist organization , knowing that this would ruin any future chances of a solution .

UK has been here before with NI and the IRA but it is as if nothing has been learned from it and the entire process of GFA .

It did require a bit of banging of heads together from people like John Hume and Clinton .

Now even a Labour government are going down the path of discouraging negotiation or dialogue with Hamas or any other Palestinian leaders .

Something has to happen soon or we will be all sitting by watching thousands die of starvation .

There needs to be some leadership from somebody .Heard Michael Ryan from WHO talking about how we are all culpable in this , sitting on our hands .

How can Israeli aka Jewish influence be overcome? The answer is obvious but in reality people aren't willing to work hard enough to overcome it. Holding a sign and screaming isn't going to cut it.

Why are Jewish people more successful pound for pound then the rest of us? Because their religious teachings (culture) puts an emphasis on aspects of mathematics and economics which ultimately gives you a great base to excel in life.

It's not a conspiracy Jewish people run a huge amount of businesses or hold prominent positions in corporate America or the corporate West. As a western Christian I can hold my hand up and say they work harder (smarter) then us Christians on a pound for pound basis.

Money rules the world and with the corporate West under their influence their agendas will be well protected. The average Muslim or Christian is fighting an uphill battle.

So you want to overcome this? Study harder, educate your kid's to work harder and smarter and you'll be doing your part to close the gap. But that won't happen. Christians have to motivation to exceed our current pinnacle and Muslims are held back by their book which has too many restrictions to progress

Exactly

All negotiations have to start somewhere .

It's getting those statesmen who have world influence to get people to come to the table and thrash this out.

This is the biggest pile of bullsh!t I've read on this site in a long time. Hope the next generation don't acquire such submissive attitude.

Hate to keep referring back to the same sources (given it's written by a jew I can't be censored for being antisemitic):

"Comparing Israel to drunken sailors is unfair to sailors. Sailors spend their own money - Israel spends money it gets from America. Because Israel is a welfare state depending mainly on American aid for survival, it is on a downhill slide. In 1982, Israel's inflation rate was 130%. In 1983, it was 200%, and this year (1984) it is expected to exceed 400%. That means a hamburger that cost $1.00 last January will have risen to $5.00 by the end of December. History shows that no nation mired in economic problems as Israel has become has ever avoided an economic collapse." - Jack Bernstein

Nepotism, golden handshakes, bottomless interest-free loans are not good examples of intelligence or good work ethic. Getting commercially successful by means of hostile takeovers and plagiarism of novel ideas of others not a good measure either. Einstein, Zuckerberg, Ackman a few good examples…

Exactly. They need to do what Irish people did for much of our 800 year occupation and just lay low. Survive. Don't launch vicious attacks on civilians when you don't hold any cards.

Remember those daily rocket bombardments we used to see coming from Gaza? Do they even happen anymore? Has HAMAS now been rendered unable to launch such attacks? If so why would Israel give them an opportunity to regroup and regain that ability.

Have events of last week not undermine the conspiracy theory being discussed here

Trump swanning all over the Middle East deliberately snubbing Israel despite being invited, and cosying up with Islamic “players” Israel would consider as enemies