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Viktor Orban - the EU's own Slobodan Milosevic?

  • 13-05-2025 07:23AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭


    Viktor Orban is turning into a right Slobodan Milosevic the last few years ….. he wants in the EU to take the money and then the fat so does his own oppressive thing ruling Hungary as a Handmaids state where he has absolute power ….. then he insults our country when we speak out against his repressive attitudes ….. we had all this before with Milosevic in this region ….. now we have a Milosevic legitimised by similar appalling regimes in Israel and the current USA ….. and even the EU ….. is it time to boot out this Milosevic copy cat ??? Unlike the original thin Milosevic, this guy by all accounts eats like a pig and guzzles copious amounts of wine and beer …. he is grossly overweight and out of shape and has let himself go in every way ….. he once was a thin moderate but now he is a fat Gilead hog …. how long will it be before this guy causes a war ??? …. He is dangerous and he could destroy a lot of good in Central Europe …. I remember 1991-1999 when Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Arkan, etc. destroyed Yugoslavia ….. Orban has form to do the same with Hungary and drag countries near it into another abyss if he is not stopped …… the EU needs to tell him he cannot have money if he carries on like a Milosevic style Eastern European dictator ……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,215 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    This is an interesting topic but my god, I'm getting a headache reading that post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    States such as Ireland, Germany etc that pay more into EU than take out should band together and say

    “We will reduce the amount of funds we send to EU by 1/27th (or whatever is the fraction Hungary gets from EU” until Hungary leaves the EU or stops being a bollocks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,261 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hungary should be shown the exit door the the EU. They act against European Interests, promote Russian points of view, they have voted repeatedly (unless I'm mistaken including majority of expats) for this Turd.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    it had been mentioned that the EU would make it very easy for them to leave, unlike the UK. But for some reason hungary have not taken up that option. Surely life would be better under russia ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Yesterdays Telegraphs Ukraine the Latest had a blood boiling interview with Hungarian ambassador to UK

    I don’t know how the interviewer kept his cool, kudos

    These fuckers should be kicked out of EU promptly, they openly sneer at EU and view it as a cash cow for themselves while they suck off Putin and Xi

    Near the end of podcast



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You can't get kicked out of the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    We are repeatedly told “x is impossible in EU” only for that to be done when the need becomes strong enough, eg; rescuing the euro or finding billions for covid and then defence


    Make their membership so miserable and pointless they leave themselves

    Eg stop any payments from EU, put up border checks, examine Hungarian companies with microscope, ignore them at any eu level meetings and so on

    That country obviously should not allowed to join in first place, someone didn’t do their job and let the fox into the henhouse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We are repeatedly told “x is impossible in EU” only for that to be done when the need becomes strong enough, eg; rescuing the euro or finding billions for covid and then defence

    It is impossible. It's not my opinion.

    It is one of the flaws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Mark my words when enough large donor states say “enough” and threaten to walk away a path would be found

    There’s been plenty of examples in the history of EU in our lifetimes of “the impossible” becoming possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Best of both worlds for them. They can take the EU money while neutering it from the inside with Putin's blessing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,700 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They should have been shown the door long ago. A country this toxic and corrupt has no business being in the EU.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    what ever they need to do to get rid of them from the EU they should already be started. They keep voting for it, so let them go to russia or serbia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The warning we should listen to about EU expansion. Plenty of the proposed new members will cause similar or worse problems. Just withdraw all EU funding from them, they don't even use the currency so can't impact that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Marcos


    That would require a change to the Nice Treaty which would have to be agreed by all states and require a referendum here. Also Hungary has a veto, and could get support from Slovakia and other states like Romania depending on how the presidential elections go there.

    So while people call for it, it's not possible the way things are set up.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭prunudo


    RTE news : Orbán criticises Taoiseach after 'abuse of vetoes' quote

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0512/1512446-hungary-ireland/

    Orban is right, we need to be careful blindly cheering on the entry of Ukraine to the EU. The veteos are there for a reason and were hard fought for to protect the smaller nations. Martin parrots everything the EU says, he needs to remember, in the grand scheme of things, we are a tiny insignificant island on the west of Europe, the EU will and do use us as they see fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I don’t understand the rush to get Serbia in, those lads make Hungary look good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Exactly Serbia makes Orban look liberal. Not to mention all the tension with Kosovo. Kosovo another one, a very fragile state with real ethnic tension, there's no benefit having them in the EU.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You are conflating political impediments to doing something with legal impediments.

    There is no legal means of kicking a country out of the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Their membership can be politically and economically made so pointless that they leave themselves



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Pressure can most certainly be applied to them. I am sure it already is and will continue to be ratcheted up. But I don't believe there are any mechanisms for doing what you are suggesting either. The free market aspect of the EU can not be removed etc. Nothing that requires majority approval can be done. Pressure can be applied somewhat on funding though I imagine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    We were told the free travel aspects could not be removed

    They were removed and in places checks remain since COVID

    We were told euro can’t be saved, euro was saved

    Hell our own VRT tax blatantly ignores EU rules for years now

    At end of day EU is a collection of states that come together and agree on common rules, those rules are not set in stone despite the impressions to contrary



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    We were told the free travel aspects could not be removed

    They were removed and in places checks remain since COVID

    Well I don't know who told you that, but the ability to enforce temporary border controls intra-EU has always been possible - and indeed has already been frequently used during the migrant crisis.

    We were told euro can’t be saved, euro was saved

    Again, who told you this? There were political concerns re Germany's willingness to engage with Eurobonds but they were political concerns.

    Hell our own VRT tax blatantly ignores EU rules for years now

    No it doesn't and EU courts have affirmed this.

    At end of day EU is a collection of states that come together and agree on common rules, those rules are not set in stone despite the impressions to contrary

    The rules very much are set in stone, particularly those in the various Treaties. Absolutely none of your examples involve modifying any Treaty rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Let’s think of a scenario where majority of EU states, let’s say 20+ of em

    Suspend all EU free trade, travel etc with Hungary

    What happens next?

    Hungary probably bring em to EU top courts, whom years later find out those states broken the treaties (by which stage their economy would have greatly suffered)

    Then what?

    Oh that’s right those 20+ states can’t be kicked out

    As there’s no way to force the majority to do what they don’t want to do

    Then what?

    Probably a meeting to update the treaties to kick out likes of Hungary

    If a majority wants change to occur, majority can make it so, that things are set in stone is an illusion, hell I can’t remember how many referenda we had to change the writing on those EU stones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,976 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I believe Orban's hands are somewhat tied here as the Hungarian constitution emphasizes cooperation with all nations, including the pursuit of European unity, and renounces war as a means of conflict resolution.

    So I don't think he can just up and leave, he will likely need a change to the constitution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Funny how his hands weren’t tied when he dismantled the rest of what used to be a modern enough liberal democracy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,976 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Unless he dismantled parts of the modern liberal democracy that were constitutionally protected his hands weren't tied at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I suppose it is my frustration with this situation showing (it is going on for a decade I think, and growing steadily more serious) but have been thinking maybe the Council members should just start voting on Article 7, even if there are countries that will pipe up to back Hungary and veto.

    Let us (Joe Public citizen of EU member states) all see who the pro Russia and pro "MAGA" rats and traitors inside the union are and have their names down on the public record as repeatedly vetoing EU level action against Orbán/Hungary.

    Every time the Council meets, force them to vote for carrying on the corruption + allowing Orbán to continue robbing non Hungarian EU citizens blind, while he laughs at us + acts as a stalking horse for Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump inside the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Given the fact that Urban has closely aligned himself with the regime that's intent on committing genocide in Ukraine and even threatened vetoing sanctions against Russia. I'm inclined to say that his use of vetoing has more to do with supporting Putin. So it should absolutely be called out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    We (Ireland/Irish people) don't know what truly being "used" (and abused) as a country is, or haven't since the 19C anyway.

    Fact that we're an "insignificant island" as you put it (with a more populous neighbour who could find uses for our resources natural and human in future) is probably why people like us should pray rules based cooperative institutions like the EU survive this time + the wreckers and spoilers like Orbán don't destroy them.

    If they succeed and the EU fails hard in the coming years, things could get nasty and brutish in Europe again IMO

    We live in a warming, highly politically unstable world where dictators are on the rise, weapons of mass destruction are proliferating, and conquest + genocide seem to be back on the menu as tools that leaders of a country can use to get what they want.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭prunudo


    In the uncertain times ahead we need strong leaders, Martin should take a leaf out of Orbans book and put his country first.



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