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Solar panel output dropping during peak sun.

  • 13-05-2025 02:27PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13


    Hi there. Im having an issue with my solar panels. During high direct sun, the output drops from about 5kw to 1 or 2kw. There is a pattern where this starts around 12noon and continues to around 4-5pm and then returns to a higher output. I had the panels installed in october last year, but really only seeing this now with a sunny april and may.

    I have 13 jinko panels and a huawei inverter.

    Mains voltage does raise to around 152 during this time.

    Has many come across this same issue? Id appreciate it if someone on here could point me in the right direction.

    Thank you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    I'm no expert but know that hot solar panels produce less electricity than cooler ones. https://greentumble.com/effect-of-temperature-on-solar-panel-efficiency

    But that kind of drop seems exceptionally high, so maybe talk to the installer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Thanks. Heres an image of the output. You can see its a rapid drop. This is same for any day there isnt a cloud in the sky. My installer thinks it has something to do with the grid and is also trying to figure this out.

    1-solar.jpg

    nks, its a rapid drop, like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    "Mains voltage does raise to around 152 during this time."

    You mean 252v AC?
    253v AC is the overvoltage limit in EN50438, so if you're hitting on the incoming mains then it might be a cause alright.
    Question: are you in an estate with significant solar installed around you?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If it was grid voltage it would cut out completely.

    It's almost like a string is going down.

    Any alarms? If you look at the voltages and current of the different strings may shed some light on it

    Latest ESB settings allow up to 269 I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Doh, I ref'd the wrong spec alright. It's EN50549-1, and it's 269v AC.

    image.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Nope, im a few miles outside of a medium size town. A few but not loads of houses with solar panels around. I did call the ESB and they told me up to 255v is usual max.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Loose connection being stretched at high heat (grasping at a straw here)

    Post edited by slave1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Its just gone 4:30 so back to higher output so I cant tell how voltages and currents look now. No alarms in the active or historical alarms section other than when the power went down. The installer had a look also one of hte days there and checked latest firmware and so on but didnt make any difference. Current Voltage and current for string 1 is 198.2V, 7.89A, and string 2 is 194.3v 8.29A. Ill have a look at this tomorrow if the sun is shining again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    So, again today at around 12pm, the same issue. Below are the voltages during this reduced output period.

    solar2.jpg

    solar1.jpg

    Final PV output from yesterday with a totally cloudless sky all day.

    solar3.jpg

    Any further thoughts guys?

    Thank you.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Any shading from chimneys or something?

    How do the voltages compare to normal operation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    The voltages were 201 and 191 for string 1 and 2 before the drop in output. So they have gone up compared to normal operation. no shadow form chimneys or anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Where's the inverter situated? Attic, shed, internal to house? And no battery, right?

    The way that the generated power is bouncing around the 2kW mark makes me think that it's interacting with some external factor. The drop was earlier yesterday than it was on the previous day too, interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,166 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Just to add my thoughts is it possible it's some sort of thermal throttling that could be taking place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Its in the attic. Its nearish the roof but on a gable wall. No battery is correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    not sure what you mean by thermal throttling. I have easy access to the inverter. Its warm in the attic, but not exceptionally hot in there.

    Its back up to normal output again at 4.5kw (for a while) and voltages are 201 and 190.7. Ill keep an eye on it for next time it goes down to see if we are back up at the 240 range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,166 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Just looking at my own inverter the times you start to see the drop is the time where the inverted internal temperature starts to climb.

    I use a fan to dissipate the heat and find it works well.

    Other much more knowledgeable posters here might know better the impact.

    1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Yes it could. Two items could be impacted by temperature, the panels or the inverter (or the optimisers, if fitted).

    The panels have a temperature coefficient, or de-rating % per degree C, and for normal panels that's around -0.25%/C. So if the panels were around 40C then the de-rating would be around 11%. That doesn't match with what we see here as both strings appear to be de-rating by around 55%.

    The inverter also would have a thermal throttle, and we can see that it's showing 53.6 C internally…

    So looking at a Huawei hybrid inverter as an example, I just spotted this:

    Operating temperature range -25 ~ +60 °C (Derating above 45°C @ Rated output power)

    So what model do you have?

    https://midsummer.ie/buy/HuaweiSolar/01075351



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    The model is SUN2000-5KTL-L1. I can stick a fan in there and see how it goes.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I don't think it would be the panels, I have mine in a sun catch and whilst the output lowers in the heat it is smooth and not a mad drop like OP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Yeah, so it also de-rates at 45C:

    https://solar.huawei.com/en/products/SUN2000-3-4-5-6KTL-L1/specs/

    -25 °C to +60 °C (Derated above 45 °C @ Rated output power)

    I'm not sure of the de-rating value, maybe have the installer check with Huawei, but it's the likely cause here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Are you sure there is no shading. A power line, tv cable strung up clipping two panels? It can be tiny but have a significant effect. if it's possible to check, do both strings drop in output at the exact same time? If it's both, then it's either shading or on the inverter/AC side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Im sure there is no shading. See example of today vs yesterday. Both days no clouds. I cant find where to check if both drop at the same time. I can see that the drop in output is when the the input voltage spikes from 197 to 240v.

    5-solar.jpg

    6-solar.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 stephen013


    Thank you. Ill get a fan and see how this goes. Ill also ask the installer to dig into this. Thank you all for your ideas.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Voltage rising is an indication of an inverter de-rating as it moves off the maximum power point to generate less power

    This is usually moving closer to VoC of the panels,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,166 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭iwasliedto


    Hi,

    I have a Huwawi inverter. I had a very similar problem over the last two months, as soon as the inverter started hitting max output it would drop. Each day there would be at least two drops and sometimes as many as 10 or 12. It would only happen on sunny days when i was exporting the vast majority of what was being produced. Below is an example of one day last week.

    Screenshot 2025-05-14 at 20.53.13.png

    The ESB put a monitor on the meter and it was a grid issue. They switched the phase in my meter and everything is now running well and back to normal. Below is today's graph.

    Screenshot 2025-05-14 at 20.58.27.png

    Maybe you should get the ESB to stick a monitor on your meter. I did notice on the APP that the grid was spiking above 253 and up to 255.7 on many occasions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Hi!

    The ESB put a monitor on the meter and it was a grid issue.

    Did the ESB communicate anything around what the grid issue was? Did they mention harmonics, or do you think it was an incoming voltage issue? Any emails that you can share the technical content of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭iwasliedto


    I talked to the ESB after they took off the meter that had been put on for two weeks, he had arrived to ask me to turn off my inverter and they would monitor it further for two days. He said that the reading for the grid voltage were consistently high and then they were spiking a various times during the day. He said that they would investigate the situation and get back to me, they arrived back two days ago and I was not there, he told my wife that he was changing the phase and they would leave the monitor on the meter and also monitor their output, I presume from the substation. he did not mention harmonics and I assumed from seeing my own spikes on the APP and what he said that the issue was a higher than normal voltage issue.

    Looking at the graphs from Stephen013 and the issues he describes to me it looks like a similar problem but I could be totally wrong as I know nothing about the grid or the technical side of this. However getting a his voltage monitored could rule a high voltage issue in or out.

    I had no email exchange of a technical nature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Thanks!

    Easiest thing to do for the OP is to run the inverter with a fan pointed to the fins at the rear tomorrow and monitor the internal temperature. See if there's a link between the temp and the throttle at or near the max power (seems to kick in from around 4.5kW).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Shouldn't the inverter be throwing out a alarm if its derating?



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