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Fraud from scam call

  • 10-05-2025 04:31PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭


    hi does anyone know what happens after a fraud investigation takes place after your bank card has been compromised? My account got done today for a nice few euro from scammers. Do you get that money back? It was a debit card from BOI



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭grinder23


    Depends on the type of fraud and how access was gained to your card

    Know of someone recently where they allowed the scammers access to their banking app and money was quickly transferred out

    Bank had done nothing wrong and couldn't recover the money so that was it no money back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Once your card has been cancelled, fraud team investigates to figure out if it’s genuinely fraud. Once that’s established they can credit your account via visa/mastercard chargeback. There’s no set time period for refunds, but usually within about 4 months maximum - generally far sooner. Depends also factors such as whether you willingly gave access to your account, reciepts/correspondance might be needed. And no guarantee of getting full amt back. Reporting fraud asap helps a lot in order to get credited.

    Presume it was ‘card security’ (scam)ringing that your account was comprimised. Happening a lot nowadays! Hope it works out 🤞

    Btw
    -To access cash you need to go to a branch while new card is sent out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    yeah it was card security scam, I withdrew the money to my Revolut so have access to my money while 365 is restricted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Smart thinking with the Revolut! Friend of mine had fraud transactions from his current acc recently - no idea how it happened! Pretty much everyone is being phished/scammed (attempts at the least)nowadays -harder to tell whats real vs fake! Awful feeling when it happens too -hope you feel ok and get to clear the head 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I should get mine back as I’ve Apple Pay that’s obvious on my statements , it was Google pay used when they started to take money



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    -Banks nowadays set delays on money going through so hopefully you get it all back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭893bet


    as long as you didn’t approve the payments via 2FA you will be ok I would say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Happened to me a month or 2 same thing as you money taken by Western union gave too much so had to transfer some back by revolut.

    Did you transfer more then once. I did. I did not get the 1st back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    yeah that’s true, out of 7 transactions within one hour only 2 didn’t go through. I’ll be interested to see what comes of it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I only transferred from my main current account into my other boi i account, I was lucky I had that set up for apple pay, was able to transfer then to Revolut. I took everything out including my overdraft so it’s empty altogether until it gets sorted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    They might say you did it willing unfortunately



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I'm not sure, but I think he may be describing what he did after the incident…

    @Cork2021 You need to give us a clear description of the incident, if you hope to get some useful information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    got a phone call from a Dublin number stating to be bank of Ireland card security Friday night, they mentioned two transactions that were attempted on my card in Galway. Obviously I said it wasn’t me. They then mentioned the last 4 digits of my debit card and sent a message to my phone which was a legitimate BOI message for a code to Google pay! (To re set it up for myself this was stupid of me)This is where I **** up! I gave them the code! I’m Apple Pay!! It was late and I thought no more of it until I got notifications about self pay early yesterday afternoon. BOI text me saying there was suspicious activity and was it me and I said no. They rang immediately and cancelled my the debit card that was compromised. I have another current account with BOI so transferred all funds into that and then transferred them to Revolut as my 365 needed a new pin and that’s shut until I get that pin in the post.

    In total there was 7 transactions attempted 5 got through BOI caught 2 and I got that money back straight away. The others amount to just over €300.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭Madd002


    To be honest I'm not surprised their scams are getting more sophisticated. Doesn't help that they've moved their call centres to India where let's face it our details will eventually be compromised. I had an issue recently and called and I was told they couldn't help me I asked what their purpose was and they said sorry maam I can't help, I asked to speak to an supervisor sorry maam they have the same answer, so after taking a half day off work to go to a branch where there is no staff only a meet and greet and shown to the customer service desk who couldn't help. Was told to ring customer services. I was angry and had enough and closed my account as I had enough at that stage . Opened a current account with credit union down the street with actual members of staff that interact with and want to help, after being a bank customer for 30yrs I don't think I'll go back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Lesson for everyone here - if your "bank" calls you then hang up and call the number on the card or from a statement etc (don't trust a Google search) and never give anyone a pin # sent by text

    Take it as granted your details have been leaked and scammers have them including your full name, address, DOB etc



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    This kind of scam can be stopped in it's tracks, if people follow the advice provided countless times by the banks: always, always initiate the contact with the bank if it requires you to take action or give information and do it on a well known number.

    In terms of data, the data needed to perform this kind of scam is widely available. It's on transactions, receipts, on your card, held online by vendors etc…. And usually it does not take much data to convince people that they are talking to their bank - the last few digits of a card or details of a known transaction and they win people's confidence.

    Steps to reduce the chance of being scammed in this manner:

    • Record the details of the offical phone numbers of your bank. Check you statement to find out if an particular member of staff has been assigned to your account and if so, record their details as well.
    • If you get a call like this do no panic. Unless you have knowingly compromised your security there is very little chance you will loose money (it may take some time to recover, but that is another story)
    • Take the caller's details and tell them you will call them back on one of the known numbers. If you have details of a staff member who has been assigned to your accounts, ask them to provide these details and see what they say….
    • Call the bank on the known number and confirm the issue
    • Even if it turns out that the call was a scam, go ahead and cancel your cards in any case. The chances are low that they would try a second time, but you have at a minimum confirmed to them that the details they have are of an active account and it could be used for other scams.

    Do not be embarrassed if you are scammed, social engineering is very sophisticated. Report the matter so it can be investigated and we can at least advise people to watch out for the scammer's new tricks. Incidentally almost all scams these day involve social engineering of some kind, because most of the technical loop holes have been well locked down by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Ive heard of the scam where google play is ‘used’ for a credit to apply. Then it looks like your account is being credited but money is taken, or something to that effect.

    How Does ‘Google Pay’ scam work? Isn’t Google Pay/Apple Pay basically like having a virtual card? If that’s the case though, usually you’ve to ring the bank to confirm you’re setting up apple/google Pay on your phone or tablet. 🤔

    -I’m guessing the scammers, once they have your details (account number, pin & then verification code), that they set up ‘your card’ as a virtual card on their device?

    Any clarity ?

    Had 2 scammers at the door recently…much easier to spot the face to face type!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    yeah it was Google pay virtual card, got caught by the balls! I’m Apple Pay! It just never clicked with me when recalling th code to the prick!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    …so, basically, they put your debit card on their phone wallet, right?


    Hope you get refunded the rest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭Raichų


    not to rub salt in the wounds OP, but I’m with BOI myself and they really couldn’t make it any clearer in their texts..

    Do not share your Apple Pay activation code with anyone, even BoI. Code is XXXXXX. Valid for 30 minutes. If you did not request this, contact us at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭Raichų


    ^ actual text from them when I activated Apple Pay on my new phone, I just deleted the code



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Anyone who has fallen for a scam, can’t belive they fell for it & can feel angry at themselves.
    If someone’s in any way distracted at the time, the massive sense of urgency by ‘fraud squad’, knowing card numbers, phone, bank… in the heat of the moment it can make sense. Coupled with that , if they have your name. Plus, you probably made that ‘recent’ purchase which they’ve ‘flagged’.

    …One positive, if it happens once, the likelihood of falling for a scam again I’d imagine is greatly reduced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    -It’s quite easy to get someone’s name. Voicemail greeting especially.

    I reccomend people don’t use their name on voicemail. Better to have generic message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    you think I’ll get refunded? I’ll know in 3 days got a text off boi saying they’ll have more information for me by Thursday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Yeah that’s what happened, they waited around 15 hours to start using it too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    Honestly … I’ve no idea! But, it take it as a positive that they’re going to get back to you pretty soon. I get the impression that getting money back from Bricks&Morter banks is easier than Revolut scams. You seem to be taking it in your stride anyhow 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Was raging on Saturday though! The scammers rang me within 10 mins after I cancelled the card. Pricks laughed before they hung up after I told them where to go!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Fishdoodle


    … textbook scammers. 🙁 Bad Karma. Hope you get the full refund. (Deleted joke).

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