Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well if you were backing Netanyahu and his Genocide and thousands of innocent little children were starving to death then you'd disappear too. Although there's still one or two hanging around licking their lips but it might be Islamophobia with them. Either way they should hang their heads in shame.

Another one of them is now a '' neutral '' on another thread. Looks like he's a neutral in favour of genocide.

Israel is a military powerhouse and has the ability to smash any neighbouring country. It is only right it observes its borders. To a country that they were gifted. They should get on bended knee to thank those that gifted them that geography, one could argue, rightly so, that they didn't have an obvious right to.

Israel are worried what miggt happen, while palestinians worry about what is happening. Do you understand its fear versus reality. Ine doesnt count, the other does.

The concerns Israel has is because they murder and steal they need to be watchfull for retalliation.

While islam have have pledged to destroy, israel is destroying. One is a treat, the other is a horrible reality.

I only judge israel by what it does, thugs…murderers…thiefs...liars.

You pick a specific period in time, thousands of years ago and say jews lived there so in 1948 they deserved to take what the british give by removing people that lived there. That the jewish people are the true ancestors. But even in the Hebrew Bible the Canaanites had lived there before the jewish peoples. Other groups lived there—Amorites, Hittites, Jebusites, Hivites, Perizzites, and Girgashites—constituting what tradition calls the “seven nations of Canaan,” as distinct people. The hebrew bible suggested these peoples were to be variously resisted or destroyed.

So should the land of israel be given to those people. Or should we go back further, say 500,000 years and give it to their ancestors. Your selective reasoning and fingers in you ears while shouting la la la, doesn't make the jewish nation the sole inheritor of the land of israel and palestine today.

Israel were gifted, rightly or wrongly what is israel today and thats where they should stay.

Forcing an entire population into a concentration camp, controlling all of their access to food, electricity, water, movement etc., killing tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in collective punishment, totally destroying 80-90% of structures with indiscriminate bombing, and creating an artificial starvation event to kill them off, is more Hitler-like than most regimes since the end of World War 2.

There may be some other examples of populations and their lands being systemically eradicated, but no modern country should be comparing themselves to them. Imagine with a straight face saying Israel's opponents are "closer", when they shouldn't even be in the same realm.

UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI) are under fire now for claiming that the starvation will help obesity rates in Gaza. No one is even trying to hide this any more. Your support of all of these actions make you complicit in some of the worst crimes against humanity in world history, and I have no doubt that some day in the future, you will have a moment of reckoning with yourself as you realise what you fervently argued for. It is impossible for your hatred to last long enough to escape it.

Definite signs the mood is shifting against the terrorist state. Two UK newspaper editorials have called for an end to the onslaught (FT and the Independent) - this wouldn't have happned even a couple of months ago.

Also, persistent rumours that relations between Trump and Netanyahu are very frosty at the moment.

There are signs the Zionist pack of cards may be about to come tumbling down. Even much of the western media are starting to realise (and even concede publicly) that Netanyahu is a hate filled warmonger with sinister intentions for Gaza. It's obvious he doesn't give a toss about the Israeli hostages.

Very interesting to see what happens with Trump's visit to the Middle East. I would imagine the Israelis are watching it with a great deal of anxiety.

Not a chance, all theatre to pretend there is outrage. If it was genuine, these countries would stop whats happening straight away. A year and half later and they haven't acted and never will. I see there is another thread already on the 'never will' topic.

The old plan is going to go ahead regardless. Clear out Gaza and the West Bank and then expand out. Beni, Bezalel, The Jerusalem Post and others have said this several times - RE: Greater Israel.

You know what - you should just take it for granted that everyone you talk to wants the hostages released. If goes without saying. Unless you are talking to a jihadist (or ironically those in power in Israel), release of hostages will be the default position, and shouldn't have to be rehashed again and again.

An editorial, or person, not mentioning this doesn't mean you need to allude to them being an automatic Hamas supporter, or whatever you are trying to intonate. It's so tiring - you and your buddies are trying to control people's words, and if they don't say exactly what you want, you try to make them seem biased or unreasonable, so that all that they say should be disregarded.

But... 99% of people criticising Israels conduct are against genocide, and against the taking of hostages. That is a perfectly valid and reasonable position to take, is not biased and is not unreasonable surely?

The West bank residents voted for the PA and still Israel expands there. Both parties, Israelis and Palestinians, need to vote in leaders who actually want peace.

but the issue is how to ensure it does not again become a haven for terrorism.

How about Israel not supporting terrorist organisations like HAMAS because they don't want to see a Palestinian state. That would be a good start.

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank." -

Benjamin Netanyahu, 2019

"Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally." - Gershon Hacohen

Seems that Israel is now a haven for terrorists and War Criminals

The next few days will certainly be interesting and well worth keeping an eye on for the sake of Palestinian Civilians and Israeli Hostages.

The devil is in the detail but if reports are correct, Netanyahu will find it hard to refuse the Hamas terms and for him to continue the Genocide. Of course, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich will have a meltdown - possibly resigning and collapsing the Govt. The Netanyahu will have no excuse to avoid his criminal trial for corruption and impending trial in The Hague.

But on the Palestinians, the situation is dire per the final para below.

Palestinian sources told Haaretz that Hamas is expected to propose a solution in which it would operate solely as a political organization, with its weapons arsenal placed under strict Egyptian supervision. The sources added that disarming Hamas is no longer seen as a major obstacle to advancing the talks, provided there is an agreement on ending the war and a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, issues likely to be discussed in later stages of negotiations.

According to the sources, Hamas has shown willingness to agree to a partial deal that would involve the release of ten hostages, but wants the U.S. to guarantee an end to the war. Hamas officials reportedly believe Israel will try to block such a move, but estimate that if the Trump administration enforces the deal, Netanyahu will have a hard time rejecting it.

"By calling to end the 'brutal war' and expressing his hope for 'that day of celebration,' Trump has set new terms for negotiations between Israel and Hamas. While Netanyahu has only agreed to a partial cease-fire and hostage deal – one that would leave many hostages behind and allow Israel to keep fighting for months – Trump has now made clear he wants the war's end to be part of a broader deal to free them all. Needless to say, Trump's words must be taken with a grain of salt – his positions shift constantly. But if he sticks to his call to end the war, it will become much harder for Netanyahu to press ahead with war plans that are already deeply unpopular in Israel and lack public legitimacy" – Amir Tibon

Gaza is at critical risk of famine if Israel doesn't lift its blockade and stop its military campaign, according to findings by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, a leading international authority on the severity of hunger crises. Nearly a half million Palestinians are at "catastrophic" levels of hunger, meaning they face possible starvation, the report said, while another million are at "emergency" levels of hunger.

Israel is as much a terrorist state as Palestine could ever become.

Why the insistence the Palestinians cannot forge their own path when the country persecuting them is far from a respectable alternative?

Tell us, who should stand up for the Palestinians and why can others use violence ti defend themselves but the Palestinians must not?