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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    Officially, Presidents are not allowed to keep gifts given to them by foreign countries, even on state visits. Naturally he'll find a way to break that rule too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    My first choice was correct as it happens

    This would be great news for ordinary Americans. Not sure about everywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭pad406


    Hardly the actual release of Alexander?

    Edited. So nope, not that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    He tried the same in the his first term and failed. I guess at 9.01am someone in America walking into Walgreen for their insulin will tell us if the price has reduced by 80%? It will all be in the detail, the actual XO wording and not the tweet.

    Why didn't he sign an XO to force eggs and groceries to be lower?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,390 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It sounds completely bonkers though. How can Trump lower the price of drugs by signing an executive order? The US government doesn't manufacture drugs and is not responsible for the prices that drugs companies charge. At a bare minimum, it sounds like this would require an Act of Congress.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Trump Translation: " hey big pharma companies where's my bribes???"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,980 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    We have heard this all before, you’ll also note the complete lack of plans and process on how it will be done. Just a tweet to distract him getting a blatant bribe.

    This is nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    Great, so he's gonna sign this order just as the US markets are opening tomorrow. He'll either crash stocks again and his groupies buy the dips or the surge will drive inflation even harder.

    I hope Qatar have software controls embedded in this new plane. Although that might start another war...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭REDBULL68


    I hope the news in the next couple of days will quell the raft of people, that called him a warmonger, far from it ,they will have to pick something else to moan about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,980 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If only his fans/supporters had something positive to say about his polices and the good they are doing, I wonder why they aren’t?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,519 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    What he can possibly do, I think, is to say that the US government and its agencies will not pay more for pharmaceuticals than is paid by overseas governments. Despite the largely private nature of US healthcare, the US government is quite a large purchaser of pharmaceuticals, as part of the Medicare and Medicaid programs, so it does have considerable heft in the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,418 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    If he is going force the price of medication in the US below the price of everywhere else in the world that it becomes a loss to the the pharmaceutical companies then why would those companies decide to relocate back to America?

    The R&D and manufacturing costs of these drugs will not get cheaper.

    If anything, the pharmaceutical companies could say, "okay, we'll just focus on the rest of world and continue making our money there".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,519 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Oversimplifying a bit, big pharma largely finances its research and development of new drugs with the fat profit margins that it charges in the US. The rest of the world then gets the drugs for the cost of production, plus a margin.

    If the US pays the same price as the rest of the world, how is big pharma going to finance research and development of new drugs?

    So, if Trump does succeed here, a likely consequence is a squeeze on research and development of new drugs. Leaving asid the long-term consequences for global health if pharmaceutical research and innovation is slowed down, much of the R&D work is in fact done in the US, so US pharma operations are the ones most likely to be adversely affected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    He already has a way. This new plane is only a temporary Air Force One. It only remains in service as a Government asset for the duration of the Trump presidency after which it gets donated to the Trump presidential library. But yanno.....he's doing the job for free!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and threatening to use Greenland would tend to do that...

    Once again, this sounds like it can't actually do anything.... I'm assuming you will never discuss this again if it's unsuccessful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    When you break rules the way Trump does, you don't need to think about it or find a way, you just break them. But, the page below shows how the system is supposed to work. His library would have to pay fair market value for the plane if it wants to keep it, unless Congress changes the law of course.

    The whole scheme and related real estate deals in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, sound like one of the more unlikely plot lines from the TV series Succession imo.

    https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/reagans/reagan-administration/presidential-gifts



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,841 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. It's much worse. At least with Brexit, the adults in the room could meet and hammer out concessions. Trade deals are much harder when one party hasn't a clue how any of it works.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    It is performative nonsense designed to appeal to morons. Shame you got caught out by it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭yagan


    Mod warning:

    Post deleted and next time you attempt an attack to another poster it will be a ban.

    Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,018 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Looks like a tariff reduction between China and the US. Something like it was before all the nonsense started.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭Economics101


    US-China taariffs agreement,

    1. It's just for 90 days, so the regime of acute, investment-destroying uncertainty continues
    2. At 30%, US tariffs will still be very high by historical standards and hugely damaging. The 145% stuff was more like a total trade embargo
    3. A marvellous headline on the BBC website: "US and China reach agreement to slash tariffs by 115%" . That would imply negative tariffs. I know what they meant to say, but this innumeracy is revealing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    now thats some biggly bribe donnie vonshitzinpants is after getting from the qatar sheik…400million smackaroonies worth of airplane…what for i wonder….?


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭poop emoji




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,436 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Those planes cost more to run than they are worth unfortunately, it may be useful as an AF1 standin but a money sinkhole thereafter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭scottser


    I can only imagine the next-level spying tech the Qataris are going to load that plane up with.

    Also, what is it called when a government directly interferes in the free market? Oh yeah, Socialism. Donny the Trot, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    From what I read online, even for a $400m plane, the amount of money which the US will have to spend to bring it up to the codes and requirements that Air Force One needs to have, in terms of security, communications, ability to be refuelled mid-flight, ability to basically act as a nuclear shelter… will far outweigh any type of "saving" proposed by Trump in the "gifting" of this jet, and particularly when it has been "gifted" to them by a foreign government.

    And it then gets "gifted" to the Trump Presidential Library once he's finished his term?

    Moronic Arsehole Grifting Again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    The Airforce One planes are from the early 90s, they needed replacing anyway but from what I read the delivery time of a new jet from Boeing was years away and the Americans were unwilling to buy a non American plane off Airbus. They've been in the market for a suitable used Boeing for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    When it arrives, the military are going to completely strip it and examine it very closely. They're not thick.

    But the fact that (according to CNN) Trump thinks he has ownership of the plane when his presidency ends is outrageous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Both sides will decrease their tariffs by 115% for 90 days. The Swiss talks were designed to save face for Trump. The only other option for him was to capitulate to 25% unilaterally. He had no choice but to do this anyway if China had not agreed to talks because of severe internal economic pressure.

    This agreement will take it to US charging 25% and the Chinese charging 10%. In other words, we are back to where we were before Trump initiated this Trade war a few months ago. The Trump administration has achieved nothing in their stated goals. Today will be fun because we know Trump is going to go on record to say this is exactly what he wanted to achieve and he has won. But it's a total capitulation. He rushed these tariffs through because it was a "national emergency". Is it not a national emergency anymore?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    so the qataries sheik hears the us goverment is looking for a plane and out of the goodness of his heart is just giving away a 747 for nothing?free gratis and all that good stuff…?


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



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