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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    5kW because thats more or less the limit on the NC6 form



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 beecarroll


    Hi. This is pretty long, as I'm trying to work out a couple of things and it is still early in the process.

    I'm looking for suggestions around the next steps with solar, and how to make it make financial sense for me if I go ahead. Small end of terrace west facing roof with a dormer window, all electric house with bills of about 90e a month averaged over the year (231kwh). I live alone, have fairly low energy usage and plan on improving energy efficiency and warmth through retrofitting windows and improving insulation. Got an estimate of 12k from One Stop Shop.

    The OSS assessor suggested I would need about 10 solar panels to bring me to the Ber rating, and there was a chance they would not all fit on my small west facing roof. If this was the case, I would need to build a structure in my very small yard. I've asked a company about this informally and they said there would also be the cost of connecting this structure to the house. So I anticipate the cost would be well over 12k.

    At this stage I'm planning on abandoning the OSS and pausing solar from the current plans. Currently the payback based on my energy costs don't really make financial sense (26 years), or realistic sense (1860e per year from another calculator) - unless they include making profit from exporting to the grid? Would this be a meaningful consideration? Does this come in credits against winter costs? I just anticipate I would be accruing credits I would not need to use.

    Am I right to simply pause this for now, and start again getting quotes from suppliers at a later date when I've my house better insulated etc. Or is there a payoff that justifies me getting started sooner.

    Thank you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭con747


    Read the below thread and it will give you links to see how much you can generate, where the sun will be all year around your house and loads of other tips. https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058234646/interested-in-solar-pv-read-this-faq-first#latest

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Another daft (probably already answered a million times over), but why can't you install an 8kW inverter for charging your battery during the cheap window (which is the same as a 5kW inverter charging AC and a 3000W rectifier charging DC), and change the discharge rate to 5kW so nobody gets hurt?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Because soft-limits aren't reliable enough to prevent the full 8kW from being discharged onto the grid in the event of a fault.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I can understand that a software protection is insufficient, but I can't understand the risk of exporting at 8kW in a fault case.

    What would the harm be to the grid, especially since there are thousands of micro generators added every year?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Dems the rules!

    I don't know the cost/requirements for g99 in England, but it's sorta like our NC7.

    But their notify and fit is only 3.6kW (and they have many different DNO's, where we just have the one)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,981 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I know, i get it, but its a failsafe against a catastrophic fault. Checks and balances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Soarer


    But if you applied for an NC7, you could up the inverter/charge/discharge? To?

    I'd be perfectly happy if I could fully charge my 24kWh battery in the Pinergy 3 hour window.

    Post edited by Soarer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭50HX


    6.25kw system in here with 4 weeks

    V happy with it

    No Ev & I've a 5kw battery

    Exported 333kwx.

    I have a smart meter but not activated.

    Anyone getting paid for excess & not on a smart meter

    I'd like to run a winter before deciding what plan to go on.

    Any advise on what plan to go on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Yes once your paperwork is completed you should get paid for excess regardless of the meter is activated or not in my experience



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭serox_21


    Hi all,

    I'm looking for a registered electrician(I'm located in Dublin North area) who can connect my solar system to the consumer board. Everything is already installed — panels, inverter, wiring, isolators, etc. I just need a qualified person to make the final connection to the consumer board and ideally help fill out the NC6 form required for ESB Networks.

    System is in place and ready — just need someone to sign off and connect safely.

    Recommendations welcome, especially from anyone who’s had a similar job done recently.

    Thanks in advance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭DC999


    You won't get paid for exporting if not on a smart meter and you currently have a normal 24 hour meter. CRU confirmed that to me in writing maybe 1 year ago. Their logic is smart meters are available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭JPA




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yes a smart meter is needed.

    But it doesn't have to be activated (eg on a smart plan)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    The OP had mentioned in the post that they already had a smart meter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭50HX


    I have a smart meter but I haven't activated any plans

    Was wondering could I stay on a stdcplan & get paid for export..just until I see a winter of PV generation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Yes you can I am doing the same thing at the minute with the same smart meter non activated setup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭50HX


    Perfect, that's what I want, I may add another battery rather than exporting as much excess but I need to see how it performs first.

    Is there a comparison website to use for selling & not activating smart meter



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 beecarroll


    Thanks you. I had gone through and had used a couple of calculators, but they don't take into account selling back to the grid. Currently my payback is 36 years apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    36 years would seem…..unlikely. Even the most over priced installation where the quote is ridiculous is never more than 12-15 years.

    Some back of the beer matt math. let's say 10 panels at 400watts per panel, West facing roof. Going to PVGIS and grabbing the numbers. I assumed that they were all west facing on your roof and they fitted on your roof (and not orientated in some other manner with some mounting which you mentioned)

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    2926 Kwh/year. Also let's assume that you just get paid the FIT rate (which is about €0.20/kwh) for all that 2926 units. That's €585/year. In reality though you will be using some/most of that solar you generate during the day which is probably day rate of closer to €0.30, so in all likelyhood, your returns per year will be closer to €700-750.

    If it was a 36 years payback, that would put your installation cost at €750x36 = €27,000.

    That said, your quote of €12k for 4K of panels is pretty crap. 4Kwp of panels installed shouldn't be more than €6-7k (max) - so whoever sent you that quote, you can bin it. If you take your (above) €750/year and divide that into €6-7k, you'll have a more realistic payback of 8-9 years.

    The surplus you have in summer will be credits that you can use during winter when the panels don't generate enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 beecarroll


    Hi thank you so much for taking the time to break that down. I think part of the issue is that currently my average annual electricity cost is under 600e, before I do any retrofit. That means a 12k installation takes 20 years, but yes I really should be hoping for a cheaper installation, though this is also impacted by roof/space issues and costs. This throws off any bills savings based calculators, if the benefit of the returns (750e) generated applies only to future bills (600e per year) meaning I would keep accruing credits. I do still think it is worth it but might wait to go in with my local solar meitheal.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I've got refunds of credit from energia and flogas. But happened when I was switching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah, I can't answer the question of is it worth it to you. Like many here, I'm a little biased with a solar installation already (2x of them actually) and they've served me well. You do tend to treat electricity differently when you have an abundance of it - and that's ok.

    Definitely would search around though on the quotes. The one-stop-shops have historically been nortoriously expensive compared to simple supplier + grant route. €6-7K should get you a decent system up and running, maybe go with 3.5Kwp in panels coupled to a 3.5kw inverter, you might see something closer to €5k.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    "You do tend to treat electricity differently when you have an abundance of it - and that's ok".

    All my weed killing the last two weeks has been via boiling the kettle and straight out with the water, works perfectly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭johnfás


    Hi All

    We moved house a year ago to a 1970s detached house. We don't have the cash at the moment to do a deep retrofit of the property. However, we are trying to do bits and pieces of additional energy efficiency and comfort as we go along. For example, we replaced the boiler recently with an A rated gas condenser boiler.

    We are now considering adding solar panels to the house but would be great to have some idea of what we are looking for before we get quotes because it is all a bit of a minefield.

    I have set out below what seem to be some important vital statistics about our usage and lifestyle, as well as a picture of our roof (which we think should be very good for panels) and would be grateful for any advice about options. Thanks all in advance.

    • Meter Type: Smart Meter
    • Plan Type: Standard Plan (not Smart Meter Plan)
    • Average Usage: We are here 12 months and we use roughly 350 - 400 units per month
    • Car: No electric car but we plan to replace our car in about 2 years, at which point we might buy an electric
    • Lifestyle: We are a busy family with two working parents and two small kids. Effectively, we are out of the house for most of the day and do have pinchpoints in the evening when we all get home, have to get through dinner, washing and do most of our washing and dishwashing in the evening. However, we could of course adjust our lifestyle on that. Our washing machine has a delay function so we could run dishwasher on our way out the door in the morning and have the washing machine run a delay function later in the day.

    We would see this as an investment so within reason we are not looking for the absolute bottom dollar scope but we would want it all to make economic sense.

    Thanks again.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭50HX


    Similar set up to you here re house car etc

    Installed

    14 × 450 panels ground mounted

    5kw hybrid inverter

    5kw battery

    Eddi for hot water

    Powered up since April 10th

    April showed we were 87% self sufficient with 333kwh exported, I have that exported for May already

    Battery is running the house from 6pm- pv generation the nxt day

    Mistake I made was not putting them in years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    One initial suggestion for you is to register with ESB networks, which will allow you to download your detailed usage data. You can then upload this into a site called Energypal.ie which will help you select the right plan for your specific needs today. Any companies you get quotes from will likely ask for details of your plan and they will model payback periods accordingly.

    I went EV first and solar second and in many ways they have stayed completely separated. I can export my solar at €0.18c/kWh during the day and buy electricity at night for €0.07/kWh within a defined time window, so it doesn't make sense for me and lots of others to charge from solar. On that basis, don't let the future EV decision overly influence your decision today on solar.

    If that is the orientation of your house in the picture, where the ridgeline is almost North / South, then you will likely be looking at panels on both sides of the roof. One set will be east facing to get the morning sun, and the other will be west facing for the afternoon / evening.

    Any reputable installers you get a proposal from will do some modelling for you on estimated usage patterns, size of the panels, battery, payback period etc., but if possible, talk to neighbors, friends have have used specific installers and get a recommendation if possible. Finally - understand your payback period - the time it will take you to recover your initial investment. For me it's modelled to be 6.5 years, but it will be different for everyone. You'll only know that once you start to get proposals from installers. As you say, it has to make economic sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭johnfás


    That is really helpful, thanks very much. I didn't know you could obtain all of that data through ESB Networks.

    See below some of our results. I wasn't really sure how to interpret them all.

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