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Most difficult holes in golf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭token56


    It is not a course on the same level as some of the others mentioned but having only played it recently for the first time, the 2nd/10th hole in Cill Dara is a very hard and unfair hole in my opinion.

    It is obviously a Par 3 that was created to fit into the area available but feels like it has been made more difficult than it needs to be. For those who have not played it Cill Dara is on the Curragh and the greens can get very firm. It is a blind tee sheet over some gorse bushes. From the back tees about a 160 yard shot. A pretty small and narrow green with bunkers short and long, a grass drain to the left and grass mounds to the right. Also the odd gorse bush long and left of the green. With firms greens I think it is a very difficult green to hold and pot luck whether you end up in a bunker or not.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    So got to play a hole I said I would - I'd say I have not gone there in a good 10 years.

    The 8th in Silloge - sorry photo a bit big. But hole even harder than I remember. Was driving the ball well - but of course when I get to this hole I pulled it left and you don't want to go left.

    Punched out to corner and even from corner you are talking a solid 6 or 5 iron with very tight OB left.

    A great golf hole - but you would 100 % need a driver to even get to the corner of the dogleg - so needs two great shots to hit green. It felt way longer than I remember to corner - but was a head wind.

    Got up and down for a 5 - not a bad score from a bad spot.

    Was really interesting to be back up there - a great public facility and in a time when golf is becoming very expensive - lovely to have a course so accessible and cheap. Only played front 9 - some lovely holes. Greens decent.

    Silloge 8th.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,551 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Not unlike the first at headfort new, only a longer first shot to clear the corner. Cracker of a day for it Fix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭swededmonkey


    Cant remember the hole number, but the index 1 in druids heath. Been a while since i played it. Tight tee shot, lots of gorse either side of the sloping fairway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Played this hole with a European tour pro...he said it was completely ridiculous...

    Played it a few times myself, was a bit daft



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭blue note


    Did they not make Druid's Heath a lot easier in the last few years? I hope so, I'm playing there next week. 😐️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    They have made significant changes and softened it...think a good review of changes by Kevin somewhere.

    It was notoriously difficult..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Adiaga 2


    Brilliant. Fair play to you! I'm glad to hear it's still a very difficult hole - well done on the 5 btw especially after the tee shot. From your photo, I'm pretty sure they cut back a lot of the trees to create that gap that gives a nice view of the fairway now. It's still intimidating but I think it was more so back in the early 90s with tiny headed woods :) Earlier in this thread I mentioned 240 yard drive to be in good position but I checked later on google earth and it's about 240 metres(!) to have a flat lie and view of the green. I remember the 10th hole being tough too - long and really tight off the tee.

    Must try get out there again soon just for the nostalgia factor. Always felt it was an unfairly maligned course. It is a great public facility and still makes golf fairly affordable for most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Kevinmarkham


    The big change is the bunkering. Gone from 97 bunkers to 36. Some of the blinder slopes have been smoothed out, too.
    If it's of interest, I did a video of the place last year. The beginning of it is me talking through the changes - if you just want to see the course, go to the 5 minute mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    That's a rather dramatic softening of course , perhaps more aligned to a members course / resort course.

    Must play next time I stay there...



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,101 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I had heard that Druids were planning on pumping money into the Heath now that they've done a job on the Glen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Kevinmarkham


    It was done the other way around. They changed the Heath before the Glen. Same designers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭blue note


    Thanks Kevin. I'd had actually found it after fix reminded me of it.

    I'd always heard of druids heath as perhaps the most difficult course in the country (along with the European perhaps), so was very interested in the first bit. Obviously it's a good thing that it has been neutered a bit, but a part of me was curious to see how tough it was! Course looks great though. It's some annual rugby event, so I suspect we'll be playing from forward tees too, so it really shouldn't be too bad. Although I really should hold off on commenting on how difficult it is until after I play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Corkey123


    😲 Surely the 4th hole in Corbalis off the back tee. You need to land the ball on a patch the size of a hankie 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Is a great golf hole , and might qualify as toughest shortest hole in Ireland . Long dead , left a 5 at best. Unreal hard bunker short and treacherous green.

    But - Many of the others mentioned , need a 260 yard drive on fairway , then maybe a solid 5 or 4 iron to even hit the green. Two near perfect shots in a row. There are not that many amateur golfers that can hit two long and accurate shots in a row.

    Most amateurs should have a reasonable effort at hitting a target from 100 yards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Played another one today .

    The 3rd in Corballis ,

    Now with the weather today , it definitely removes the difficulty, tee was at front end of tee box and it make the hole much easier as you can just hit drive over hill on right . This is where Links roll comes into play - on RHS on the fairway if you get right bounce , ball will easily go 100 yards more on ground (if you don't see this as blind) . Didn't hit an amazing drive , but it went 284 yards, This turns the hole into a bit of a joke - as was only 125 yards from the pin. Bad wedge left , but got up and down for a par.

    So , maybe the hole not as bad as initially posted, But same with all holes , when temperature up and no wind and a near summer roll - a literal different ball game.

    One thing I did consider also on this hole , it is also your first drive of the day - as the previous two holes are a par 3 and a lay up. So something not mentioned so far - is when a hole actually arrives in a round is a factor , a small factor - but we all are playing better golf near the turn. Warmed up , know your ball flight that day.

    Still a great golf hole - and as often said , would not be out of place on any course in the country.

    Corballis.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭GolfPar


    Had my first ever eagle on the 3rd in Corballis. Wasn't today or yesterday but many years ago. Held a 4 iron second shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭blue note


    In summer, in good conditions and with the tees forward it's a lot easier than most days, but not a challenger for the toughest hole you've ever played. But even on a day like today it's a very tough hole from the competition tees. Carrying it over the hill is a big hit, if you go right you might never see it again, same problem left or if you don't make the carry. And then it's not that short an iron into the green - maybe 150m? And the prevailing wind is into you, so even a 1 club wind will make a big difference. And neither right nor left are good places to be with your approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Gandalph


    Ah yeah, front tees with no wind (which is incredibly rare out there!) makes it much simpler depending on the pin. Its the back tees were you need 260y of carry into the prevailing gusts to clear that dune on the right safely. Short left or right fairway have no chance of attacking the green and getting it through the gap requires a big degree of accuracy. After that I'd honestly be saying that the difference between a front pin and a back pin is 0.75 of a stroke gain/lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,932 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    I've played it under them conditions and it would be that hard say 6/7 times out of 10 .

    So a rare outlier day...and much welcome..if I was there to play as hard..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭blue note


    I played Druid's Heath the other week. I'm posting here since this is where it was mentioned.

    I heard they'd made the course significantly easier, but it's still a very tricky track. I can't remember which tees we played from, but it was a decent length without being long. I think there were two sets of tees longer than ours. And they've done away with two longer than those!?? Ah come on! They must have been ridiculous!

    The day was hot and the greens were very fast and that's where the difficulty lay in the course. Right from the first hole - I ran through the green with my approach. I hit a very good chip on and was hoping for a good chance of a par, but it just kept running after it caught a hill and barely stayed on the green. One of my playing partners than degreened himself with his putt, so that made me feel a bit better. 4th hole I was about a foot short from being perfect and giving myself a safe par - instead it ran miles back down the hill and I had a very low chance of an up and down. A couple of times I had short shots into front flags after my drive. But if you come up short of the green you could kick anywhere. Land it at the cup and you'll leave yourself at the back of the green. 15 and 18 were great examples - after my drive on each I'm thinking I should be making birdie and par on the two. Instead, with only really one bad shot on the two holes (a putt I went 4 feet long on) I ended up with a double bogey and a bogey.

    There are some great holes on the course though. The second is a great par 5. 12 is just a great hole - a proper index 1. And 13 is so deceiving. It looks like there's plenty of room before the water to lay up, but unless you go way up on the top, you're hoping for good fortune to stop before the water. 18 was a lovely finishing hole too.

    I was really impressed with the course. There was loads to enjoy on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Right off the top of my head…

    17th in Carne (Green on a ledge of a hill, second shot has cabbage on the left that can be a story or more above the hole, a drop to the right 3 stories below the hole..)

    16th on St.Patricks Rosapenna… Drive it at the sea in the knowledge the wind will do what you want…Second shot has beach OOB all down the left (no forgiveness) paying off a slop and cabbage on the right..

    8th on Connemara if against the wind… Can be brutal, long and if the ball goes up it can go anywhere..

    Some notable from memory:

    12th in Claremorris put the river in the wrong place, so long uphill shot on to the green which are very slick and they can put pin in the front which makes it delvish from the back…

    16th in Galway (Salthill), The drive is crucial wit little margin between hero and OOB… Might not be the hardest but wreaks cards…

    4th on Esker Hills, Plays tricks on your mind…



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I would take 17th in Carne and put in into the Stupid Hole category, so hard to clear the tee box well and hold the fairway and then the green especially if your first time to play it. They could bring a mound into play around the entrance to the cabbage to allow a low ball some hope of holding the fairway because when they are firm it's a nightmare

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    "16th on St.Patricks Rosapenna… Drive it at the sea in the knowledge the wind will do what you want…Second shot has beach OOB all down the left (no forgiveness) paying off a slop and cabbage on the right.."

    14th you are thinking of I'd say. 16th is a straightaway (albeit a long one) par 4 with a 100 yard wide fairway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    The last few holes of any course are the most difficult when you have a great score going:)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Andrew93


    Great photo! I get to play this once a week usually (Apr-Sep) the past 2 years. Great hole & I agree 100% on the pricing. Get 9 holes for €10-15 depending who's working in the evening.



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