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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Israel do not care about the hostages?" There have been massive protests and countless public campaigns within Israel demanding their release. The hostages are a central concern for Israeli society.

    As for Hamas' so-called offer to release them—if they truly intended to free all hostages, why haven’t they done so unconditionally? Every offer so far has come with strings attached, often framed to gain political leverage. Hamas is in no position to dictate terms. Their military defeat in Gaza - and that is exactly what that is - has stripped them of that privilege. Do you accept that they have been defeated in Gaza?

    "Impending influx of settlers?" That’s simply not grounded in reality. Outside of a small ideological fringe, there is no serious appetite in Israel to settle Gaza. Even in the Judea and Samaria (West Bank), settlement is a seriously divisive issue within Israeli society. The suggestion that there’s a mass push to resettle Gaza ignores public sentiment.

    And on the topic of policing Gaza—there hasn’t been a single serious offer from any country or international body to take on that responsibility. Yes, it’s a dangerous and costly task, especially when dealing with terrorist groups like Hamas. But if those who claim to care about the people of Gaza truly do, why hasn't anyone volunteered to help restore order and stability? You can’t criticize Israel for stepping in when no one else is willing to.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    As for Hamas' so-called offer to release them—if they truly intended to free all hostages, why haven’t they done so unconditionally? Every offer so far has come with strings attached, often framed to gain political leverage. Hamas is in no position to dictate terms. Their military defeat in Gaza - and that is exactly what that is - has stripped them of that privilege. Do you accept that they have been defeated in Gaza?

    Because as soon as they are released Israel will unleash hell on earth on Gaza. Thats why they want conditions. Israel cant be trusted - theyve shown that already after pulling out if the ceasfire.

    And yeah of course they have been defeated - utterly defeated. So why continue to bomb civilians - because Israel and IDF are scum - thats why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Just checking - Hamas and IDF are both terrorists. So it would be hypocrisy to not believe one yet believe the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Ah good on Israel stepping up, so this is an altruistic genocide?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You appear to be unaware of the hostage situation. The Govt. doesn't care about the hostages. Of course the hostages families do care and yes, they are protesting at the Govt refusing to accept the Hamas ceasefire proposal.

    I posted last year that Hamas were defeated - because the IDF stated that. My position on Hamas has been very clear - they are terrorists and must be eliminated. Not sure why you feel the need to ask the question to be honest. Unless you think you had a "gotcha" moment?

    You must have missed the news over the last 24 hours - Israel is taking over Gaza. Ben-Gvir attended a Settler movement event a few months back who had laid out all their plans to Settle Gaza.

    I explained why no-one has stepped up to offer to police Gaza - self-preservation. They don't want to be on the end of an IDF 2000lb bomb or a sniper's bullet. Or even and IDF bulldozer. Simple.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Eh? No idea what you are talking about at all now - but I'll try.

    You believe neither the IDF or Hamas - correct?

    And how have you surmised that I believe Hamas? I believe the reports from e.g. RTE, BBC, Haaretz and others when they quote the Qatari mediators who relay the Hamas position or those reporting IDF lies.

    Probably not the gotcha you were hoping for I suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    That's bansheeism. "Israeel and the idf are scum". It's nothing that adds anything to the discussion, it's a, your side is worse than my side, whinge thats nothing that's going to add to any discussion. The fact is that Israel in their own minds now feel justified and justifiable in what they're doing because of Hamas demonstration of violence in Oct 23. Regardless of what you believe or I believe they're using that as the driving force for this action that they're intent on carrying out. Hamas should have fcuked off as soon as they realised that they were beaten, released the hostages and left Israel with no option but to cease their operation. They couldn't have continued on as it would have been seen as murder and genocide unequivocally and absolutely unjustifiable. I think the US couldn't even have half heartedly sanctioned that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I dont really get the point of using nice or neutral words to describe Israel's or the IDFs behaviour during the campaign. Similar to how Hamas's behaviour should be described or Israel should be told to f-off out of the West Bank.

    The West for years has supported Israel and will probably not condemn Israel whatever they decide to do with Gaza after.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    That's bansheeism. "Israeel and the idf are scum". It's nothing that adds anything to the discussion, it's a, your side is worse than my side, whinge thats nothing that's going to add to any discussion. 

    Just my feelings on it - Im entitled to that - maybe tell the Israeli and IDF supporters the same thing.

    The fact is that Israel in their own minds now feel justified and justifiable in what they're doing because of Hamas demonstration of violence in Oct 23. 

    We`ve moved well beyond what Israel consider "justified" - In my opinion Palestine has well and truly paid for the Violence committed in October 2023.

    Hamas should have fcuked off as soon as they realised that they were beaten, released the hostages and left Israel with no option but to cease their operation. They couldn't have continued on as it would have been seen as murder and genocide unequivocally and absolutely unjustifiable. I think the US couldn't even have half heartedly sanctioned that.

    I agree with you 100% but the cynic in me doesnt think Israel would have stopped if the hostages were released.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel are not even hiding their evil/illegal intentions anymore and yet their fanboys can't get enough. Only muslims.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Of those killed in Gaza, how many (in your opinion) were:

    Hamas militants?

    In October 2024 Israel claimed to have killed 17,000 of the 30,000 Hamas militants so lets say 25,000 now.

    Collateral damage?

    The other 30,000 killed - mainly women and children

    Just murdered for s***s and giggles?

    Unknown ( or else the other 30,000)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,010 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Poor SeanW thinks that Ukraine attacked Russia or tries to flip my post. I compared Israel and Russia. Both land-grabbing and bombing innocents and said that Putin and Bibi are so alike in their ways. They really are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,010 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It is slowly happening. Even our Taoiseach has spoken today about Israeli War Crimes and it's all over out media now. -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0506/1511303-gaza-medical-evacuations/

    I believe that it is time for the EU to ban all Israeli produce until the blockade of Gaza ends. It would bring Israel to its knees and let them feel a bit of what they're dishing out. Let's put pressure on our TD's to ban Israeli goods from entering Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    They are also both wanted by the ICC for War Crimes. And both on the run.

    It would only be worthwhile getting travel brochures for Hungary as they'll be one of very few counties who wouldn't arrest them and ship them off to The Hague.

    Post edited by dmcdona on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Netanyahu was in Hungary recently. He and Gallant are still living in their own country and so they can't be on the run.

    The war would end if the Hamas leaders in Gaza surrendered or went into exile, which Netanyahu said he is willing to let them do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Former hostage Moran Yanai said that, when Hamas took her into the Gaza Strip, she saw "everyone, the entire city, from the smallest child to the oldest one, celebrating evil".

    Before 7 October 2023, Hamas had already indoctrinated so many young people with hatred towards Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're right - typo. Thanks for pointing it out. Now corrected.

    Netanyahu and Gallant are on the run from the ICC. Perhaps some brave Israeli police will arrest them and send them off to the Hague - just like the Philippines did with Duterte. But for sure, their worldwide choices for their summer hollybops are very limited indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    She saw everyone? Really? Was she brought around the city on a tour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Just like the bus tours Israelis lay on for all those wishing to see Genocide in Gaza in real time. And when they're done that, they can tuck into a nice bar-b-q and have a bop on the dance floor - to celebrate murdering over 35,000 women and children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Any more from the Henry Jackson Society?

    Netanyahu cannot visit another EU country or he will be behind bars and deservedly so.

    Q. Do you think Netanyahu has any questions to answer? Don't expect a response.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd wager those supporting Israel must be apoplectic over the remarks made by the Taoiseach and Tánaiste today. I guess the truth hurts.

    In a keynote address at the Global Ireland Summit in Dublin Castle, The Taoiseach said "The horrific and unjustified attack by Hamas on Israel on October 7, 2023, has been followed by the brutal waging of war by Israel in Gaza that has inflicted appalling suffering on Palestinians in Gaza while increasing tensions in an already damaged and fragile region.

    "There must be an immediate ceasefire, the release of all remaining hostages and the resumption of unhindered humanitarian assistance to the people of Gaza and at an unprecedented scale," Mr Martin said.

    He added: "It has been over 50 days since food, medicines and other essential supplies have not been allowed enter Gaza. Israel's continuing humanitarian blockade is pushing Gaza closer to a hunger crisis. This must be lifted immediately.

    "It is simply wrong, in principle and in law, to inflict hunger and suffering on a civilian population, whatever the circumstances. This behaviour clearly constitutes a war crime.

    "It is also wholly unacceptable to contemplate the mass displacement of people in Gaza or to talk of permanent occupation. Not only is it an affront to decency and to international law, history tells us it offers no solution" Mr Martin said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As usual, some very interesting snippets from Haaretz today - particularly the first item - the irony of Smotrich using the "C" word will be lost on no-one

    The other items: Israel is a democracy? Don't think so; War Criminal #1 sucks up to his buddy War Criminal # 3; Israel demolish almost an entire Palestinian village in the West Bank.

    • Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that in a few months, Israel will be able to declare that it has won the war in Gaza. "What will the image of victory look like? Gaza is completely destroyed. [Gaza's] civilians will be concentrated from the Morag Corridor southwards to a humanitarian area where Hamas and terrorism are absent," and from there, the Palestinians "will start leaving for a third country. Our hostages will have returned home," he said at the Makor Rishon newspaper's conference on settlement.
    • At a Knesset committee session, lawmaker Simcha Rothman cut off the sister of a hostage killed in captivity after she warned against obeying "unequivocally illegal orders," accusing her of promoting disobedience by soldiers. "Anyone flirting with disobedience [to orders] won't be given the right to speak. I'm very sensitive to disobedience," Rothman said.
    • PM Netanyahu spoke with Russian President Putin by phone, thanking him for his assistance in securing the release of Russian-Israeli hostage Sasha Troufanov. Netanyahu's office said Putin initiated the call, which took place on the 80th anniversary of Nazi Germany's defeat in World War II.
    • Israel demolished most of the Palestinian village of Khallet al-Daba in the Masafer Yatta area of the southern West Bank on Monday, in what residents described as the largest demolition to date in the region. A visit to the village revealed that nearly all structures had been leveled, with only five still standing amid widespread rubble and scattered belongings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Unfortunately FG would allow it and Micheal won't go against FG

    That's exactly why they won't get the OTB passed. No doubt they will be in the Dail tomorrow saying they will do it at some stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If it was genocide it would've been over by the end of October in 2023. If it was genocide then the Allies' fight against the Third Reich would've been genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I think what she meant was that every Palestinian that she saw when she was taken into Gaza was celebrating evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The war would end if the Hamas leaders in Gaza went into exile, which Netanyahu said he is willing to let them do. Presumably, if the Hamas leaders agreed to that, Arab League and ICRC observers would be on the scene to ensure that the deal is adhered to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The war would end if the Hamas leaders in Gaza went into exile, which Netanyahu said he is willing to let them do. Presumably, if the Hamas leaders agreed to that, Arab League and ICRC observers would be on the scene to ensure that the deal is adhered to.

    To let Hamas keep ruling Gaza is to invite Hamas to do another October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Ireland will never get every other EU member state to agree to a ban on imports from Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    So she didn't meet everyone in the city, she just mind-read everyone and anyone she did see.



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