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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Not every boreen needs to be a motorway, not every landing strip needs to be a 2000m runway, no matter how much a few local "local lunatics" (not my words of course) might want there to be.

    Waterford is very well served already in terms of road and rail connections, and there's an airport too, just nobody wants to wants to serve it.

    The case for Waterford Airport could be made by Loganair or Aer Lingus/Emerald going in and operating some routes at the existing facility to prove that there is sustainable demand. As long as there isn't even a prop service to an English airport or two, anything beyond that is fanciful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭Bards


    Knock and kerry are boreens..Waterford is a regional city with a catchment of 600,000 including south tipperary which was at a stroke if a pen removed from the SE population figures

    Talk about look over there from the propaganda arm of government ..timing couldn't be more obvious

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2025/0506/1511233-waterford-quays/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    It’s very simple Knock,Kerry,Donegal can be funded and supported yet Waterford can’t be? I feel yet again the pull of Cork politics is playing its hand here. If it is not in Corks interests it won’t be supported. Butler and Cummins need to speak up now and get this delivered and stop this nonsense. When you see the money wasted in the social protection departments over the past few years yet with this investment at least it gives the region a chance. The South East is the only region without a passenger airport in operation. The money is there people don’t be fooled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭Bards


    Fakeeugees and 38,000 NGOs for example even mehole martian admitted and said 80% were in fact economic Migrants and not refugees all given free accommodation and pocket money 4bn on the refugee program and 6bn on NGOs all the while saying we can't afford the pension system..its all BS when all we ask is 12m for a lousy Runway Extension



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and we re off! seriously lads! a significant amount of welfare spending actually goes towards elder care and pensions!

    …oh and if you think we re gonna maintain some sort of functioning economic momentum with an aging population, you ve another thing coming! i.e. this is where immigrants come into it, i.e. we need them, or we re fcuked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭Bards


    This is a debate for another forum not here,so stop trying to detail and start a new thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes and no, we simply dont have enough young people here to build what we need, including major infrastructure such as airports, airport extensions, and all other infrastructure needed for such, including housing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Yet the government won’t approve a project that would help balance the South East region to be more attractive for investment. My point about the social protection department is valid. There was no shortage of money for people that were receiving payments for whatever reasons. Yet we only need 12M but we have to beg and beg to the moon and back. Yet the department of social protection can just hand money out without the due diligence that our airport must face in order to basically delay it. The system is all wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    That's a simple question to answer. None of those areas have the door to door motorway/dual carriageway access to Dublin Airport that Waterford has. Less than 2 hours and a motorway/dual carriageway the whole way.

    The M9 killed the demand/need for an airport in Waterford. The same as the M6 did for Galway. Waterford in fact is even closer to Dublin Airport than Galway is. Galway airport at least had the sense to shut the doors and call it a day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the system is no doubt a mess, but again the reality is, we really do need many of these immigrants, its simply not possible to create the infrastructure we want and need without them, but the whole immigration situation is being dreadfully mismanaged, and now we re gonna tighten up immigration rules so much, we re simply embracing this aging demographic problem, even lessening the chances of building what needs to be built, its a mess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭914


    Sweet lord why are we still talking about emerald and Logan, that has been discussed to death.

    With the exception of Donegal to dublin (PSO flight) emerald are operating all aet lingus regional flights from jet capable runways.

    Logan are very new to the Irish market, they operator Donegal to Glasgow, and I think they operator Dublin, no where else in the republic.

    Emerald are servicing the aer lingus regional contract, and do not have the aircraft to expand operations independently.

    The likes of Logan is risky, UK based operator, anything goes wrong in either country/economy and they are gone, we have seen this with manx, Flybe, stobart, vlm, even local airlines, euro Celtic, Aer Arann, they all went bust, based on that emerald I would suspect would be very careful, continue with aer lingus at low risk.

    The above airlines show that turbo prop airline business is risky, Waterford have openly stated this, and said they would prefer to proceed with a runway extension rather than have a service for sometime time and be back in the same position as always.

    It's not sustainable, this is why the only operational airports in the county are all jet capable airports with the exception of Donegal which services a PSO route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭Bards


    I've seen your posts all for Knock Airport so your views are biased in favour of that..remind. me again how many people in 1 hour of Knock? I find it offensive someone from the West of Ireland telling a regional capital what we can and cannot have..its disgusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Yet you post great news for Knock! In an ideal world Galway should have been developed not Knock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,807 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Logan have operated in Ireland for decades, even domestically pre-Brexit as BA or Flybe franchisers. They operate Aberdeen from Dublin and have recently (last five years) done Inverness and Teesside too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I don't know how you can possibly assert that Waterford is well served already in terms of road and rail connections.

    The only decent road connection is the M9 to Dublin. The N25 and N24 are both totally inadequate.

    The only direct rail connection (with a dogleg to Kilkenny) is to Dublin. Limerick can take from just over two and a half hours to almost five hours. Waterford to Cork can take from three hours eighteen minutes to almost seven hours.

    Calling that well served is totally disingenuous. Unless you are travelling to Dublin, rail is not a realistic option. The N25 and N24 need significant upgrading as does transport infrastruture for the entire south east.

    The need for investment is shared with the other regions. Unless you are travelling to or from Dublin infrastructure is largely inadequate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭dan575283578


    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/waterford/news/nauseating-as-waterford-airport-gets-nothing-while-200m-is-announced-for-cork-airport/a94796686.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭geographica


    what has the comer brothers money gone into?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,807 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Comers have a history of buying and sitting on things.

    Sentinal building in Sandyford. Shannon Oaks in Portumna.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭geographica


    so it hasn’t been used ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭914


    So they operator, two flights, one from Donegal and one from Dublin and yet some people expect them to be the saviour of Waterford Airport?

    That said, I also stated the airport should be trying to attract an airline no matter no limited or difficult it is.

    That said you get in an airline which strengthens your case, then you restrict their hours to facilitate works and also risk running them out if a jet airline came in, so I can see why the focus is fully on a runway extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,807 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They're an operator that has shown over decades that they're willing to try routes in to Ireland and see if they work; and their entire fleet can use the existing runway, so they're very valid to talk about here.

    Eastern have also tried multiple routes in to Ireland before with a similar fleet; but have nothing now. Bit less off a history of doing it; and my experience of them in the UK is that they can be painfully expensive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    That old chestnut. Waterford is the fifth biggest city in the state and is the main driver of a region with 600,000 people.

    But sure you're only a bog, you can't have a [insert - decent hospital, stand alone university, IDA visits, functioning airport, upgraded N24/25 or comparable investment with other regions here].



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    they have probably only proposed to pony up the money, on the back of government investment, i.e. they probably havent actually put any money down yet, but might if government investments go ahead, again, as others have stated, theyre primarily asset speculators, they have little or no interest in truly developing the airport, only extracting as much from their speculations(rent seekers), i.e. actors to be highly wary off!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭geographica


    So this was pure “photo op”, as it’s seems zero has happened since this announcement


    https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/comer-brothers-spearhead-game-changing-30m-investment-in-waterford-airport/a1296638371.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    more or less, as others have said, they dont truly care if the airport extension actually occurs or not, as they would very likely gain either way, dont be surprised if they already own property and land in the region, as theyre involvement thus far has already benefited them, by helping to inflate the price of those assets, even with the current state of nothing happening.

    such 'investors' are also trying to de-risk their investments by outsourcing the risks else where, in this case towards the state, hence why its very unlikely theyd pony up all money required to get the works done, outsourcing that to the state, so if such a development failed, theyd walk away scot free, and with a sh1te load more money than invested, so win win for them, but the state, i.e. us, would get shafted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    The investment landscape is a product of Government policy. if unsavoury characters take advantage then the Government will just have to deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    but what happens when asset speculation is a fundamental part of government policy, and is actively encouraged and facilitated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    So, as you say, the motorway and the railway both lead to Dublin where the biggest airport is. In particular the motorway goes door to door, offering transport links that don't exist in the areas of the country where small regional airports are operational - Kerry, Knock and Donegal.

    At least be honest when comparing the south east to those regions, if nothing else. You're not asking for the same as those regions have, you're asking for more. You want the motorway and an international airport, even though the motorway is already there and takes you straight to a much better airport than those other regions have easy access to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and the fact theres also a fully functioning rail link directly to dublin airport, some people have some nerve!



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