Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

1379380382384385395

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Wilson looks an excellent prospect, his time will come. Hopefully this summer tour along with Clarkson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    I think it's the disappointment of the close loss and the timing of this one bit of unfortunate play.

    Stockdale was spectacular last night but no player will get everything right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Is Stockdale future at 15 now? I think he might be a real option there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Best game of the weekend.

    The Munster Ulster game should be a cracker now. Hard to call simply because its hard to know which Ulster will turn up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Who ever shows up with a functioning lineout probably wins.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    I don’t think it’s ‘if’ he is in form.


    he very clearly is in form.

    Probably the form Irish back in 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I don't want to be too harsh by saying he looks like a bigger and slower version of his old self. Which is completely understandable after all the injuries. Some of decisions he makes I find questionable, also probably as a result of a lack of confidence. Its really the decisions when defending that are still the most glaring weakness in his game.

    The only standard I hold him against is the no.11 Irish jersey. Personally I'd have him as the 4th or 5th option based on what I've seen of him this season. I'm not sure, but it looks like Murphy is using Stockdale like Ireland use Hansen. I dont think it suits him at all. Not so much when the ball does get in his hands it's more his awareness levels and esp when the move (phase play) breaks down. He's slow to react, slow to get turned and to get back and cover across. It's not his natural instinct and maybe fitness is also playing a part in all of the above.

    I think Joe Schmidt's minute detail (run the play again, and again, and again in training) was/is the perfect coach type for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Im not sure you've seen a lot him this season based in the above post, however while I dont agree with the narrative you've given a reasoned argument so fair enough. He certainly looks to have a more powerful leg drive this season similar to Lowe, so I'd have said that was a positive.

    Not sure who the 3 or 4 better left wingers than him are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Unfortunately it didn't lead to anything but there was a bust he made in the second half from deep in his own territory where he absolutely carved through the Sharks defence. Think he tried a chip through that looked blocked or something, but the run itself was exhilarating. The last thing in the world he looked was slow. If he'd been playing all along like he did at the weekend there isn't a conversation here, he's in the running for Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,140 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    I think Munster will win as they're at home and need to win. Ulster have only won once away all season. For me it's a no brainer but would love to be proved wrong.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    he certainly isn’t slow. I’d hazard a guess that he’d comfortably beat Keenan, Lowe or Hanson in a foot race over 50m or 100m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Probably not as much as you. You may recall (or not!) that i watch with more than a passing interest. And without trying to be smart I’ve seen more than enough this season to stand over my previous. Its a fair and measured critique.
    If no Lowe or Hansen, I just wouldn't have enough trust in him to perform defensively at the elite level. I'd even stick Lowry (who is not a winger) in ahead of him.
    But it would be Nash I'd move to 11 or maybe JOB or even TOB.

    If everyone else was fit and I was picking a squad to tour SA or NZ. I'd pick Nash, JOB and TOB, Baloucoune (big IF), Keenan and Osborne. Final slot would be between Larmour and Stockdale.

    This is what I like in wingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    Frankly, that is the biggest load of rubbish I have read on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    It's quite possible to have a fair and reasoned post of a critique that isn't really either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    We’ve won a grand slam with Stockdale in which he was one of our best players.

    Lowe and Hansen are hardly sound defensive players and Lowry is brave but ineffective defensively as well. Nash is solid and I’m happy he’s getting his chances but he’s struggled to impress at international level. For all the stick Stockdale has gotten, larmour’s fragility seems to only be forgotten due to how often he’s injured. Baloucoune is a right winger.

    Sure, Stockdale is a poor defensive player but the amount I’ve seen him being excluded from international squads by fans over the years is laughable, all the while we struggle to produce wingers of his size and attacking instincts. You make exceptions for players like that. Maybe the coaches think his injuries have racked up and they want to look to the future, but he’s a better winger that everyone bar Lowe by a considerable distance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think it's pretty much guaranteed that Stockdale will be starting one or both of the tests this summer, I don't think we have another left-winger who's even close to him (assuming Lowe is with the Lions). They may shoe-horn Jamie Osborne in there for one of the games but I hope not.

    A back-three of Stockdale, Nash/TOB and Osborne is definitely worth looking at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Lots of players go through peaks and troughs of form and injury. Stockdale is no exception, hes a high quality winger, at his best he's world class and when it's not happening for whatever reason hes average. I am fairly certain that in his current form (all season) he's going to be in contention for whatever side is being selected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Sure I know! I was also the one championing him back then. And even when the Irish team was playing poorly in 2019. He was brilliant under Schmidt. Again - that's the type of coach that suits him. Minute details.

    And I agree they (Murphy and Farrell) will continue to make exceptions for Stockdale because of what he brings in attack. Personally I wouldn't make the exception against NZ, SA or in the 6N.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    We get it like. You like busy, involved wingers, so you'd rather have… Baloucoune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I don't really understand the negativity around Stockdale. Irish backs - and especially wingers - with the amount of game-breaking ability he has have been as rare as hen's teeth. O'Driscoll had it. Bowe had it. Lowe has it. Aki to a certain extent has it.

    Others like Larmour, Conway and Earls could come up with unstoppable moments at provincial level, but to have the capability to be unplayable at Test level is very rare.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    He's unfashionable.

    Initially looked like a worldbeater, had a bad collapse in form, became synonymous with the waning of Schmidt's team, was ravaged by Irish "fans" on social media, had a kid, developed a different perspective, played himself back into fantastic form, some fans aren't interested when so many shiny new talents have since come through.

    Some folk are absolutely fixated on his flaws and other player's strengths, and I fully expect in five years idiots will claim he was always over-rated as a finisher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I dont think u do get it. I prefer wingers who can score and defend. if they cant perform the latter to a high enough standard I wouldn't pick them for Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Oh I thought posting a video called "Workrate" without any explanation was to make a point about workrate.

    No worries either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    and not a winger who often tops the stats for metres gained, defenders beaten and offload!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    hmm, I hope you didn’t watch James Lowe yesterday!!!



  • Administrators Posts: 55,718 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Augustus looks like a good signing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    yeah, big powerful man. Just what Ulster need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’m happy to discuss Lowe - tremendous strengths but his relative lack of pace is a vulnerability in a wing at his level.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    I’m looking forward to Ulster totally misusing him as per usual with most of their players!



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Let's hope he doesn't turn out to be our best player and we leave him on the bench for fifty minutes in a crucial knock-out game and subsequently lose. That would be an astonishing piece of mismanagement.



Advertisement